Another Brilliant Plan Out of WI

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Is not an assumption it is fact.

Yeah, the fact is that all the current Republican voting rights removal bills trying to be passed - and the Wisconsin bill signed today - are deliberately discriminatory, and everyone knows it.

If they work then they need to cash a check. In order to cash a check they need a photo ID (even at the check cashing place). To open a bank account they need a photo ID. The poor people that you speak of usually are on food stamps or receive medicaid. If they are not then they already need an ID to cash their pay check. The elderly receive social security, medicare or medicaid. You need a photo ID to do just about everything. So what is wrong with the facts

1) If they work they have a photo ID- required by employer and required to cash a check
2) If they don't work they need to have some income coming in thus they are on a government entitlement program
3) If they are elderly they either are independently wealthy or they are on a government entitlement (ie social security, medicare, etc.)

What am I missing

That the Constitution doesn't require any of the above to vote. You are. Fail.

"If they don't work they are on a government entitlement program" - are you for real?

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yeah, the fact is that all the current Republican voting rights removal bills trying to be passed - and the Wisconsin bill signed today - are deliberately discriminatory, and everyone knows it.

typical liberal response. Redirect as much as you can an avoid the facts pointed out above

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

typical liberal response. Redirect as much as you can an avoid the facts pointed out above

Nonsense. I'm a moderate conservative, and this bill is discriminatory bull.

Calling me a "typical liberal" may make you feel better about yourself, but doesn't change the fact that you think that poor people not being able to vote is "not an issue".

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Nonsense. I'm a moderate conservative, and this bill is discriminatory bull.

Calling me a "typical liberal" may make you feel better about yourself, but doesn't change the fact that you think that poor people not being able to vote is "not an issue".

Can u explain to me how this bill disenfranchises voters since even factoring out all people ages 16and 17 there are more peoplein WI with a photo ID or drivers license then there are registered voters in WI?

There is nothing moderate or conservative in your political comments

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Can u explain to me how this bill disenfranchises voters since even factoring out all people ages 16and 17 there are more peoplein WI with a photo ID or drivers license then there are registered voters in WI?

You yourself proved my point with your casual lack of concern, your "not an issue" comment about those Americans that won't be able to survive the new Republican Voter Disinfranchisement Test.

Those are exactly the people the Republican party has targeted, and said they want to disinfranchise to help them win in 2012, and you are right with them: "not an issue" in your eyes.

There is nothing moderate or conservative in your political comments

LOL - of course there is. Fiscally conservative, socially responsible, anti-big government, anti-government interference in private lives. That's why I haven't voted Republican in two years, and why I won't for the foreseeable future. The current Republican party no longer represents any of that. I haven't changed. But the Republican party sure has.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

You yourself proved my point with your casual lack of concern, your "not an issue" comment about those Americans that won't be able to survive the new Republican Voter Disinfranchisement Test.

Those are exactly the people the Republican party has targeted, and said they want to disinfranchise to help them win in 2012, and you are right with them: "not an issue" in your eyes.



LOL - of course there is. Fiscally conservative, socially responsible, anti-big government, anti-government interference in private lives. That's why I haven't voted Republican in two years, and why I won't for the foreseeable future. The current Republican party no longer represents any of that. I haven't changed. But the Republican party sure has.

Please dispute facts with me. Who are we disenfranchising if there are more residents of WI with a photo ID than registered voters?(even eliminating 16 and 17yr olds) Must be easier to get a photo ID or drivers license than to register to vote.

Also if you are going to use the word the democrats like so much the least you could do is learn how to spell it

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Please dispute facts with me. Who are we disenfranchising if there are more residents of WI with a photo ID than registered voters?(even eliminating 16 and 17yr olds) Must be easier to get a photo ID or drivers license than to register to vote.

Also if you are going to use the word the democrats like so much the least you could do is learn how to spell it

The facts are that you support voter tests and voter suppression.

Wiphan posted: The disenfranchised people you speak of usually don't have a job so Mon-Friday works just fine (poor and elderly). The responsible people who have an ID (which by the way is required by most employers) will find time to go to the DMV and change their address. So that is not an issue.

So poor and elderly, and those "not responsible" in your eyes are "not an issue". Yeah, who cares if they can vote! Oh, and you have to have transportation to the DMV.

Yeah, that's really nice. Not what our Constitution says, but hey, it's only the poor, elderly, those you deem irresponsible, right?

Why do you ignore the fact that students will now have to bring a receipt with proof of paid tuition to the polling place with them? That not one school ID in Wisconsin fits the parameters of the new bill signed into law today?

Face it: the Republican Party has revealed themselves as the party of the elite and power-hungry. They don't give a damn about the citizens of this country. Even the "Tea Party" knows the GOP can't accomplish anything. They just lost the NY 26th. They now are only 50-50 to even hold onto the House in 2012. They have moved so far to the right, they've embraced the people literally dragging them off the political landscape. Please, go with them, if that's what you want. Enjoy the political exile, and take Republican Voter Suppression with you.

And let's not forget those poor victims of the tornadoes - who won't get their emergency aid appropriations bill signed until Eric Cantor gets the political budget concessions he wants. And he wasn't even embarrassed to say it in public. Yeah, hell of a party, those Republicans have become. Ronald Reagan wouldn't even pass their "purity test" today as a candidate.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

LOL - of course there is. Fiscally conservative, socially responsible, anti-big government, anti-government interference in private lives. That's why I haven't voted Republican in two years, and why I won't for the foreseeable future. The current Republican party no longer represents any of that. I haven't changed. But the Republican party sure has.

The above statement is not supported in any of your political comments. You greatly admire Obama who supports nothing fiscally conservative, anti big government or government interference in our lives. He is the exact opposite of each of those views. So how are you a moderate conservative?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

The above statement is not supported in any of your political comments. You greatly admire Obama who supports nothing fiscally conservative, anti big government or government interference in our lives. He is the exact opposite of each of those views. So how are you a moderate conservative?

You really are obsessed with throwing labels around, aren't you? What do you care what strangers call themselves politically?

(frankly, I think it's another superficial demonstration of how some self-professed "conservatives" like to control the lives of others)

You think in black and white. I don't. I think your assessment of Obama and our current politics scene simply wrong.

For example, the biggest government takeover threat in our lives right now is the GOP. The biggest fiscal irresponsibility demonstrated in the past 60 years is the GOP. The biggest threat to our national security and international stability is the GOP.

Yes, I admire Obama quite alot, I voted for him, I am very happy with his performance, I"ll vote for him again, and yes, he does some things I don't care for.