Vote on Debt Limit increase?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

again stop with the Michael Moore like charts. Obama continued the Bush cuts so now they are his. Afghanistan, Iraq and now Lybia is his as well. Giving billions out like quarters is Obama. Unemployment for infinity, fannie, freddie, stimulus after stimulus all Obama. Your group neglects to include any of that. Wonder why?

No. Wrong. That's all right there.

This analysis doesn't pretend, like some do, that our financial woes suddenly and magically were caused by occurences during the past 18 months, and that the past 8 years of administration didn't harm this country in multiple, major ways.

What I am hoping is to hear you unequivocally and absolutely support expiration of the Bush Tax Cuts, as that would obviously be a major contributor to our long-term financial soundness and welfare as a country.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

No. Wrong. That's all right there.

This analysis doesn't pretend, like some do, that our financial woes suddenly and magically were caused by occurences during the past 18 months, and that the past 8 years of administration didn't harm this country in multiple, major ways.

What I am hoping is to hear you unequivocally and absolutely support expiration of the Bush Tax Cuts, as that would obviously be a major contributor to our long-term financial soundness and welfare as a country.

18? Obama has been president for a lot longer than 18 months... 2 1/2 years not 1 1/2 years.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

18? Obama has been president for a lot longer than 18 months... 2 1/2 years not 1 1/2 years.

Yes, I'm aware of that I was just referencing the concept of "recent", versus the last years of Bush first year of Obama (stimulus and TARP)

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

What I am hoping is to hear you unequivocally and absolutely support expiration of the Bush Tax Cuts, as that would obviously be a major contributor to our long-term financial soundness and welfare as a country.

If the Dems could agree to cut spending by the same and dedicate ALL money brought in by letting the tax cuts expire to paying down the debt you got my support.

Letting the Bush-Obama extended tax cuts to expire in the current situation would simply result in more wasting of money and giving it all away to Eqypt, Tunisia, Brazil etc etc etc. Perhaps Obama should get some professional treatment for his spending addiction?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Letting the Bush-Obama extended tax cuts to expire in the current situation would simply result in more wasting of money and giving it all away to Eqypt, Tunisia, Brazil etc etc etc. Perhaps Obama should get some professional treatment for his spending addiction?

I see fact or reality will never affect or cause you to adjust your preconceived opinion.



I could try talk about how the budget doesn't work that way ("extended tax cuts = give it away to Egypt, etc") but .... never mind.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

I see fact or reality will never affect or cause you to adjust your preconceived opinion.



I could try talk about how the budget doesn't work that way ("extended tax cuts = give it away to Egypt, etc") but .... never mind.

No just a bit of Chicago street smarts and a great sense of judgment of character.

BTW you never explained how illegals fit into Obamacare. I know you said they will not get subsidies. Will they be turned away from ER rooms or are they going to get the same treatment the uninsured get right now?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

No just a bit of Chicago street smarts and a great sense of judgment of character.

BTW you never explained how illegals fit into Obamacare. I know you said they will not get subsidies. Will they be turned away from ER rooms or are they going to get the same treatment the uninsured get right now?

Having read the PPACA, I'm sure you know that the subject of illegal aliens are specifically addressed within it, and of course you know what it says

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Having read the PPACA, I'm sure you know that the subject of illegal aliens are specifically addressed within it, and of course you know what it says

Hey I'm not the only one confused. You seem to have the Obamacare crystal ball.


Among the many claims being made durng the August recess by Democrats from President Obama, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-NV, and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-CA, to the lowliest back-bencher is that Obamacare absolutely, positively, cannot possibly ever in a million, zillion years provide coverage to illegal immigrants.

Just this past weekend during his regular Saturday address - devoted to addressing what he called "false claims about reform" - Obama said he wants "an honest debate" on health care reform, "not one dominated by willful misrepresentations and outright distortions."

In what he called the "first myth" being spread by critics of his proposal for a government-run health care system, Obama said they are wrong in claiming illegal immigrants will be covered: "That is not true. Illegal immigrants would not be covered. That idea has not even been on the table." Obama said.

Well, Mr. President, that idea must have been tucked under a stack of background briefing papers over there in the corner of the table because the Congressional Research Service (CRS) says this about H.R. 3200, the Obamacare bill approved just before the recess by the House Energy and Commerce Committee chaired by Rep. Henry Waxman, D-CA:

"Under H.R. 3200, a 'Health Insurance Exchange' would begin operation in 2013 and would offer private plans alongside a public option…H.R. 3200 does not contain any restrictions on noncitzens—whether legally or illegally present, or in the United States temporarily or permanently—participating in the Exchange."

CRS also notes that the bill has no provision for requiring those seeking coverage or services to provided proof of citizenship. So, absent some major amendments to the legislation and a credible, concrete enforcement effort in action, looks like the myth on this issue is the one being spread by Obama, Reid, Pelosi, et. al.


Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/...#ixzz1NEpaJiGp

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Hey I'm not the only one confused. You seem to have the Obamacare crystal ball.

No. I just paid attention to what they were actually passing, and the bill is available on-line, with excellent, good summaries everywhere, including Wikipedia - but you know that. Rather than being told what to hate about it by factually-incorrect, fear-mongering right wing blogs.