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[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

The knock on all three has been exactly that, not my determination, I love all three for their desire and hustle. When Reddick first came into the league, he was dismissed as a spot up shooter lacking in defense and ability to get his own shot. Through hard work he has greatly improved in both areas. Blair was seen as too small for underneath and every scout questioned his knees, SA, to their credit took a chance and have been nicely rewarded. TH is showing promise with increased playing time....the point is that often big time college players find their skill set does not translate into NBA stardom. Those who do make it do so with great work ethic and desire, hopefully this kid can do the same!

No one is calling Jimmer a potential NBA star are they?
The three players you listed all have a unique NBA skill that keeps them in the league. If you have 1 elite skill and are willing to work for less than top dollar you can play for along time. Reddick has great range and is athletic enough to defend 2's fairly well. Blair is a lot more athletic than he looks and is a very good rebounder and has a light touch. I don't really know that Hansborough has an elite skill other than a high motor. But all three of these guys are limited players who won't ever get more than 25 minutes a game on a good team. They arent simply in the NBA because they work hard. They have NBA skills. Jimmer can score. He cant do much else but he will play as long as he stays quick on his feet and can shoot. He will never be more than a role player because he just isnt good enough but his peak may be Vinny Johnson which means something.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

No one is calling Jimmer a potential NBA star are they?
The three players you listed all have a unique NBA skill that keeps them in the league. If you have 1 elite skill and are willing to work for less than top dollar you can play for along time. Reddick has great range and is athletic enough to defend 2's fairly well. Blair is a lot more athletic than he looks and is a very good rebounder and has a light touch. I don't really know that Hansborough has an elite skill other than a high motor. But all three of these guys are limited players who won't ever get more than 25 minutes a game on a good team. They arent simply in the NBA because they work hard. They have NBA skills. Jimmer can score. He cant do much else but he will play as long as he stays quick on his feet and can shoot. He will never be more than a role player because he just isnt good enough but his peak may be Vinny Johnson which means something.

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[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

No one is calling Jimmer a potential NBA star are they?
The three players you listed all have a unique NBA skill that keeps them in the league. If you have 1 elite skill and are willing to work for less than top dollar you can play for along time. Reddick has great range and is athletic enough to defend 2's fairly well. Blair is a lot more athletic than he looks and is a very good rebounder and has a light touch. I don't really know that Hansborough has an elite skill other than a high motor. But all three of these guys are limited players who won't ever get more than 25 minutes a game on a good team. They arent simply in the NBA because they work hard. They have NBA skills. Jimmer can score. He cant do much else but he will play as long as he stays quick on his feet and can shoot. He will never be more than a role player because he just isnt good enough but his peak may be Vinny Johnson which means something.

Those guys are NBA sized players for their respective positions. Tyler is 6-9. Reddick is 6-4 (short but not ridiculously short) and Blair is a wide body 6-8. Fredette is a 6-2 2 guard. He is not fast enough to cover an NBA 1 or big enough to cover a 2. He will be too slow to get in the lane against 1's and will be buillied by 2's.

I think he compares to a whole slew of guys over the years like hopson, respert, alford, hoiberg (great nickname), rodney monroe...the list goes on forever. Not the same position but how much of a bust was adam morrison? Again, two slow to beat 3's and too weak to play 4.

If you aren't "nba sized", you better be really athletic to be able to get a shot off in the big leagues. Jimmer is kind of like a tweener guard. I don't care if he can shoot to 40 feet, if he can't get the shot off and can't cover, he isn't going to play.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Those guys are NBA sized players for their respective positions. Tyler is 6-9. Reddick is 6-4 (short but not ridiculously short) and Blair is a wide body 6-8. Fredette is a 6-2 2 guard. He is not fast enough to cover an NBA 1 or big enough to cover a 2. He will be too slow to get in the lane against 1's and will be buillied by 2's.

I think he compares to a whole slew of guys over the years like hopson, respert, alford, hoiberg (great nickname), rodney monroe...the list goes on forever. Not the same position but how much of a bust was adam morrison? Again, two slow to beat 3's and too weak to play 4.

If you aren't "nba sized", you better be really athletic to be able to get a shot off in the big leagues. Jimmer is kind of like a tweener guard. I don't care if he can shoot to 40 feet, if he can't get the shot off and can't cover, he isn't going to play.

Blair is not 6'8", closer to 6"6"
No one is making the argument that JF is going to be a really good player but unlike those guys listed he can score and if Eddie House can play 10 years in the NBA, JF can make it too. Hell Steve Nash is an abysmal defensive player and he is a shoo in hall of famer.

[Cannon Shell]

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2011/

Draftexpress latest mock draft has Jimmer going #17 to.......



The Knicks!!

His defense fits in perfectly!

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Blair is not 6'8", closer to 6"6"
No one is making the argument that JF is going to be a really good player but unlike those guys listed he can score and if Eddie House can play 10 years in the NBA, JF can make it too. Hell Steve Nash is an abysmal defensive player and he is a shoo in hall of famer.

Blair has an nba body. The only reason he slipped so bad was his physical.

Which one of those players listed couldn't score?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Blair has an nba body. The only reason he slipped so bad was his physical.

Which one of those players listed couldn't score?

Blair is short for his position. He gets a lot of props but he is averaging 8 points and 7 rebounds a game. Not bad but if he had been a lottery pick no one would be touting him very much.

None of those players are scoring threats except in the flow of an offense. In other words as long as they arent the primary option. JF can score effectively in many ways.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Blair is short for his position. He gets a lot of props but he is averaging 8 points and 7 rebounds a game. Not bad but if he had been a lottery pick no one would be touting him very much.

None of those players are scoring threats except in the flow of an offense. In other words as long as they arent the primary option. JF can score effectively in many ways.

Blair starts for the number one team in the west. He is short but wide and athletic. Big baby is the same way. He is a solid nba player. I don't know how he was compared to fredette but that is a weird comparison that really makes no sense. I don't remember you bringing him in so let's drop blair.

The last paragraph there makes no real sense either. Alford couldn't score in many ways? Respert couldn't? Morrison? Monroe?

Those guys weren't the primary options in college?? Morrison wasn't???

Fredette is the backcourt Adam morrison.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Blair starts for the number one team in the west. He is short but wide and athletic. Big baby is the same way. He is a solid nba player. I don't know how he was compared to fredette but that is a weird comparison that really makes no sense. I don't remember you bringing him in so let's drop blair.

The last paragraph there makes no real sense either. Alford couldn't score in many ways? Respert couldn't? Morrison? Monroe?

Those guys weren't the primary options in college?? Morrison wasn't???

Fredette is the backcourt Adam morrison.

There is a reason why Blair's minutes are heavily monitored. He may start but he usually plays less than half the game and that probably wont change much.

None of those players could score in the NBA. There is no reason why Fredette can't. He could easily work as a change of pace guy off the bench in the right system. Morrison was just too slow and didnt have nearly enough range to make up for it.