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[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by lemoncrush

Boys at toscanova had the same layoff and still ran his race. I'm not trying to be anti-Stay Thirsty. But it's ridiculous to think he has the 2-yr old resume to suggest a 2-race path to the derby. If he's sound, he should have been ready for the holy bull or whirlaway. He has a lot to prove before he's a real derby contender.

No, you don't understand, he's a half to two phenomenal routers so he's a no brainer to get better with distance.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

No, you don't understand, he's a half to two phenomenal routers so he's a no brainer to get better with distance.

Who said that?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

No, you don't understand, he's a half to two phenomenal routers so he's a no brainer to get better with distance.

One day someone will explain why anyone in their right mind thinks Stay Thirsty belongs on the TC trail.

I just don't get it.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

One day someone will explain why anyone in their right mind thinks Stay Thirsty belongs on the TC trail.

I just don't get it.

His owner does and I guess that's where it starts. After all, according to him it's incredible that the horse did anything last year because he's such a can't miss prospect going long.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

His owner does and I guess that's where it starts. After all, according to him it's incredible that the horse did anything last year because he's such a can't miss prospect going long.

I've been wrong before....but so has Mike.

[lemoncrush]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

One day someone will explain why anyone in their right mind thinks Stay Thirsty belongs on the TC trail.

I just don't get it.

He has a cute name borrowed from a popular beer ad campaign, has a daddy named Bernadini and is trained by Todd Pletcher.

I think that's all the criteria that some people need.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by lemoncrush

He has a cute name borrowed from a popular beer ad campaign, has a daddy named Bernadini and is trained by Todd Pletcher.

I think that's all the criteria that some people need.

Relatively speaking, that's actually a better case than I've heard for many horses.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

One day someone will explain why anyone in their right mind thinks Stay Thirsty belongs on the TC trail.

I just don't get it.

I remember you saying on Hopeful day that he ran well.......you never gave an indication that you thought this horse was basically a bum. What made you change your mind? It's also kind of insulting to suggest that those who like him are out of our minds.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Betsy

I remember you saying on Hopeful day that he ran well.......you never gave an indication that you thought this horse was basically a bum. What made you change your mind? It's also kind of insulting to suggest that those who like him are out of our minds.

I didn't say he was a bum....not now, not ever. He did run OK in the Hopeful, and better than I expected, but what about the rest of his year makes anyone think he is some kind of TC horse? He didn't run again until the BC Juvie, where he did an invisible man impersonation, and now he is returning for his 3YO debut four months later in the Gotham. Does this sound like a horse you should have confidence in?

To me he sounds like a horse of some ability, that for some reason rarely shows up on the racetrack, and has given zero indication that he will relish a distance. You need to do better than " I like his sire therefore I like him " to get me to fall into line.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I didn't say he was a bum....not now, not ever. He did run OK in the Hopeful, and better than I expected, but what about the rest of his year makes anyone think he is some kind of TC horse? He didn't run again until the BC Juvie, where he did an invisible man impersonation, and now he is returning for his 3YO debut four months later in the Gotham. Does this sound like a horse you should have confidence in?

To me he sounds like a horse of some ability, that for some reason rarely shows up on the racetrack, and has given zero indication that he will relish a distance. You need to do better than " I like his sire therefore I like him " to get me to fall into line.

Had he been pointed to the Delta Jackpot rather than the Breeders Cup Juvy, he most likely would have already be in, and the conversation would be taking a different tone in my opinion.

He's at least as talented as Gourmet Dinner, who's connections have since made a mockery of.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Stay Thirsty isn't as fast early - middle - or late as Uncle Mo is. That's kind of a problem.

Also - what makes him so likely to develop rapidly? I suppose you can always try putting Borel up and having him take way back. I wouldn't touch Stay Thirsty in a future book even at a very fat price.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Stay Thirsty isn't as fast early - middle - or late as Uncle Mo is. That's kind of a problem.

Also - what makes him so likely to develop rapidly? I suppose you can always try putting Borel up and having him take way back. I wouldn't touch Stay Thirsty in a future book even at a very fat price.

Yes, I know that - but no one is Uncle Mo at this point. I only asked Andy because I was curious to get his perspective based on a comment he had made. I totally understand why he's underwhelming to most people......and it doesn't bother me. I've learned as a sports fan that it doesn't matter what I think or anyone else thinks - the horse or the team or the player is going to perform the way they will regardless. I could be dead wrong about ST and it wouldn't be the first time. Anyway, my Derby horse is THAS - I would be crushed if I were wrong about him (not that I'm predicting him to win the Derby - it's just that if he didn't turn out like I hoped, it would bother me)

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Stay Thirsty isn't as fast early - middle - or late as Uncle Mo is. That's kind of a problem.

Also - what makes him so likely to develop rapidly? I suppose you can always try putting Borel up and having him take way back. I wouldn't touch Stay Thirsty in a future book even at a very fat price.

THAS is close, but really who is as fast as Mo at this point?

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I didn't say he was a bum....not now, not ever. He did run OK in the Hopeful, and better than I expected, but what about the rest of his year makes anyone think he is some kind of TC horse? He didn't run again until the BC Juvie, where he did an invisible man impersonation, and now he is returning for his 3YO debut four months later in the Gotham. Does this sound like a horse you should have confidence in?

To me he sounds like a horse of some ability, that for some reason rarely shows up on the racetrack, and has given zero indication that he will relish a distance. You need to do better than " I like his sire therefore I like him " to get me to fall into line.

Andy, I definitely don't expect you to fall in line with mine or anyone else's opinions - I respect yours that's why I was curious. I thought he ran well in his debut and I thought he was fine in his maiden win, though I know people weren't impressed. I'm willing to throw out his Juvy because I thought he was put in a tough spot. Plus, yes, I do think he'll improve as a 3 year old - yes, a lot of it is based on pedigree. I admit I'm going basically on faith here and if he doesn't run well in the Gotham, well I will admit I was wrong.