Founding fathers liked taxed government health care

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

So how come MY insurance company made us change what we already had, and my costs went up by $600 ?? all because of Obamacare also.

i try to stay away from this discussion because there's so much misinformation passed off as fact. but given that very little in the bill goes into effect before 2014, your company might not be entirely truthful if they're actually telling you the healthcare bill is responsible for all reductions in coverage and increases in employee costs in 2011.

i'm not taking any position on the bill itself. you can like or dislike it. but if someone is telling you that changes taking effect 3 years from now affects the cost of your coverage today you should be skeptical.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

i try to stay away from this discussion because there's so much misinformation passed off as fact. but given that very little in the bill goes into effect before 2014, your company might not be entirely truthful if they're actually telling you the healthcare bill is responsible for all reductions in coverage and increases in employee costs in 2011.

i'm not taking any position on the bill itself. you can like or dislike it. but if someone is telling you that changes taking effect 3 years from now affects the cost of your coverage today you should be skeptical.

According to RIOT "the plan has already gotten many students and young people insured, and lowered prescription drug costs for seniors."

The lowered prescription drug costs for seniors has to be diverted somewhere.

[Cannon Shell]

The idea that healthcare will be cheaper because of this bill is preposterous and based on deceptive use of numbers.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

According to RIOT "the plan has already gotten many students and young people insured, and lowered prescription drug costs for seniors."

The lowered prescription drug costs for seniors has to be diverted somewhere.

Didn't you forget that Riot knows everything.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Didn't you forget that Riot knows everything.

I know more than you do about the healthcare bill. That's painfully obvious, that you are clueless about what's in it.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

i try to stay away from this discussion because there's so much misinformation passed off as fact. but given that very little in the bill goes into effect before 2014, your company might not be entirely truthful if they're actually telling you the healthcare bill is responsible for all reductions in coverage and increases in employee costs in 2011.

i'm not taking any position on the bill itself. you can like or dislike it. but if someone is telling you that changes taking effect 3 years from now affects the cost of your coverage today you should be skeptical.

It is being said on internet that California Blue Cross/Blue Shield is attempting raise rates 59%. Whatever is going to happen, the consumer will take it in the shorts!

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

It is being said on internet

Must be true. If it is being said on (the) internet, it has to be true.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

It is being said on internet that California Blue Cross/Blue Shield is attempting raise rates 59%. Whatever is going to happen, the consumer will take it in the shorts!

Yes, and CA BC & BS famously tried that last year, too, and were prevented from doing it by the Obama administration. And they raised alot the year before. That's not associated with the PPACA. That's insurance companies taking record profits while they kick off customers who cost them money.

That is one of the reasons why the PPACA was passed, however - to help control insurance costs.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

i try to stay away from this discussion because there's so much misinformation passed off as fact. but given that very little in the bill goes into effect before 2014, your company might not be entirely truthful if they're actually telling you the healthcare bill is responsible for all reductions in coverage and increases in employee costs in 2011.

i'm not taking any position on the bill itself. you can like or dislike it. but if someone is telling you that changes taking effect 3 years from now affects the cost of your coverage today you should be skeptical.

I have no choice... its the only thing offered through work and it is way cheaper than purchasing it privately still.

of course the insurance company is shady, but Obamacare gave them a reason to become shadier. they site the cadallac tax, which doesnt even come into effect until like 2018 or something.. and my plan is more like a 1995 dodge intrepid instead of a damn caddy!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I have no choice... its the only thing offered through work and it is way cheaper than purchasing it privately still.

of course the insurance company is shady, but Obamacare gave them a reason to become shadier. they site the cadallac tax, which doesnt even come into effect until like 2018 or something.. and my plan is more like a 1995 dodge intrepid instead of a damn caddy!

And the above is why I wish there was a public option, that would put pressure on everyone to keep costs low and competitive.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

They will just make more doctors. It's easy to make more doctors. .

Originally Posted by Riot

You said "it's not that easy" to make more doctors. I agreed and offer my thoughts on how to help do it.
.

okay i think i figured out the multi quote post thing now.

I think my turning embryo's into doctors plan might work. maybe trackrat can bring up that idea? it is easy.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

okay i think i figured out the multi quote post thing now..

No, you didn't. What I agreed with Trackrat about was that there is predicted a doctors shortage.

[timmgirvan]

the shortage of Drs will be exacerbated by the experienced Docs leaving their practices. The bill shows a 231 bil deficit in what Docs are to be paid for their services by Big Brother.

[Riot]

the shortage of Drs will be exacerbated by the experienced Docs leaving their practices.

As doctors get paid more fairly, as insurance companies lose their current control over dictating the practice of medicine, there will be more doctors.

The bill shows a 231 bil deficit in what Docs are to be paid for their services by Big Brother.

Don't quite understand what you are talking about in the above sentence. Try again.

Do you think that a possible doctors shortage would be a reason to not try and get an additional 30 million Americans insured?

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Riot

As doctors get paid more fairly, as insurance companies lose their current control over dictating the practice of medicine, there will be more doctors.



Don't quite understand what you are talking about in the above sentence. Try again.

Do you think that a possible doctors shortage would be a reason to not try and get an additional 30 million Americans insured?

There is a 231 bil shortfall in the monies proposed to pay Drs.
No

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

As doctors get paid more fairly, as insurance companies lose their current control over dictating the practice of medicine, there will be more doctors.
?

are you f-ing kidding me????

there is nothing that doctors hate more than having to accept medicare.

Medicare = government insurance

Doctors hate it because reimbursement rates are too low and paperwork is too much of a hassle.

I asked my friend and dentist awhile back if he takes medicare/medicade.

He said no and explained: Compare my service to buying a burger. It costs $1 for the materials to make it. it costs another $1 to pay the employees to make it. It costs $2 to maintain the resteraunt and by insurance for the resteraunt. The final $1 is for profit.

So I need to sell the burger for $5 to have a business that can make it. Now the government comes in and says I can only be reimbursed $1 for that burger... so I'm out $4.

If you think this bill will encourage young bring minds to become doctors, you are more clueless than ever thought before.

But then again you think its "easy to make" doctors.