NFL Coaching Changes: Who Should, Who Should Go

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I did not compare him to Marvin Lewis. As a separate entity I detailed Cowher's 7th. 8th and 9th seasons. I never compared how Cowher coaches a game to how Lewis coaches a game. Cowher had 6 good but non-championship years, much better than Noll's last 6 years. Lewis took the team to 2 division titles in 8 years after zero for the franchise the previous 12. Cowher improved the Steelers, then had 3 struggling years....the calm franchise stuck with him and it paid off. I can compare and say Lewis did improve the Bengal franchise then struggled this year. I can say that perhaps based on only this year it may be hasty to decide to fire him. I look at last year, they had the defending Super Bowl champions and the two participants in the AFC championship game in their division and they swept them and won the division. That my friend is a great coaching job...period, end of story.

I can compare how franchises behave and what to do. AFter what the Steelers had done championship wise with Noll, it would have made sense to fire a guy like Cowher after 3 terrible years, they didn't.

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You're really grasping at straws. Cowher's production through his first 6 years absolutely obliterates Lewis'. You like Lewis because he's quiet, leave it at that. There's simply no argument for keeping him in Cinci and your pathetic comparisons of him to Rex Ryan and Bill Cowher clearly underscore that.

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

No, noone on this board can compete with me for presenting facts and logic to any debate. You come with stuff like look how the refs are cheating the Boston Celtics.

This might be the funniest thing you've ever said. All I've done in this thread is show you facts. All you've done is talk about how quiet he is, how you can't name anyone on the Bengals and how he's totally just like Rex Ryan and Bill Cowher.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

com·pare
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–verb (used with object)
1.
to examine (two or more objects, ideas, people, etc.) in order to note similarities and differences: to compare two pieces of cloth; to compare the governments of two nations.
2.
to consider or describe as similar; liken: Shall I compare thee to a summer's day?

You're really grasping at straws. Cowher's production through his first 6 years absolutely obliterates Lewis'. You like Lewis because he's quiet, leave it at that. There's simply no argument for keeping him in Cinci and your pathetic comparisons of him to Rex Ryan and Bill Cowher clearly underscore that.



This might be the funniest thing you've ever said. All I've done in this thread is show you facts. All you've done is talk about how quiet he is, how you can't name anyone on the Bengals and make terrible comparisons to other coaches.

Ok, I compared them. The facts I presented are the Bengals were a far superior product with Lewis for 8 years than the 12 years prior.

You cannot debate that fact. Period.

I displayed how bad the Steelers were in Cowher's 7th, 8th and 9th seasons at the helm.

You cannot debate that fact. Period.

I said the Steelers didn't fire Cowher after those 3 bad seasons.

You cannot debate that fact. Period.

I stated the Bengals in 2009 swept the two participants in the 2008 AFC Championship game in their division.

You cannot debate that fact. Period.

I don't think the facts are completely in favor of firing Lewis. Period.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Ok, I compared them. The facts I presented are the Bengals were a far superior product with Lewis for 8 years than the 12 years prior.

They still aren't good. And mediocrity shouldn't be rewarded, especially when it's getting worse.

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I displayed how bad the Steelers were in Cowher's 7th, 8th and 9th seasons at the helm.

Completely irrelevant to this discussion because of how much more successful Cowher was in his first six seasons than Lewis.

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I said the Steelers didn't fire Cowher after those 3 bad seasons.

See above.

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I stated the Bengals in 2009 swept the two participants in the 2008 AFC Championship game in their division.

Let me know when they hang that banner.

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I don't think the facts are completely in favor of firing Lewis. Period.

They overwhelmingly are. The pathetic list of 'arguments' you just listed is clear proof.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

They overwhelmingly are. The pathetic list of 'arguments' you just listed is clear proof.

You go on and on about his lack of playoff wins. His best team he ever had back when Carson Palmer was actually a very good quarterback he tore up his knee on the first pass he threw ( a 70 yard completion.) that game. They played the whole game with Jon Kitna. That really happened. There's even color photographs.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

You go on and on about his lack of playoff wins. His best team he ever had back when Carson Palmer was actually a very good quarterback he tore up his knee on the first pass he threw ( a 70 yard completion.) that game. They played the whole game with Jon Kitna. That really happened. There's even color photographs.

So what about the other seven seasons? Let's hear the eight years of excuses. I'm sure you have the time. Or is it just 'Carson Palmer sucks!'?

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

So what about the other seven seasons? Let's hear the eight years of excuses. I'm sure you have the time. Or is it just 'Carson Palmer sucks!'?

No, Marvin Lewis wasn't good enough to make the Cincinnati Bengals a dominant NFL franchise. He wasn't near good enough. He was good enough to improve by a huge margin a terrible and pathetic franchise. I'm not sure he should get fired.

I repeat 55-137 were the Bengals the 12 years prior to Marvin coming.

56-55-1 in Marvin's first 7 years with the team.

Those are the plain and simple facts. THe 4-11 this year is enough for you to fire him. I'm simply not sure.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

THe 4-11 this year is enough for you to fire him. I'm simply not sure.

No it f'ing isn't. It's the inability to make the team more than a mediocrity in eight chances to do so. It's great that he made them not a laughingstock for a little while. But eventually, he has to do better than that. He hasn't done it and he's had plenty of time. The 4-11 is just the final straw.

[3kings]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

No, Marvin Lewis wasn't good enough to make the Cincinnati Bengals a dominant NFL franchise. He wasn't near good enough. He was good enough to improve by a huge margin a terrible and pathetic franchise. I'm not sure he should get fired.

I repeat 55-137 were the Bengals the 12 years prior to Marvin coming.

56-55-1 in Marvin's first 7 years with the team.

Those are the plain and simple facts. THe 4-11 this year is enough for you to fire him. I'm simply not sure.

These stats are all good but you must factor in the salary cap. In the years of futility you are referencing there was no cap and cheap small market franchises suffered. In the salary cap era there are very few teams that have not won a playoff game in the same length of time. None with the same coach.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

No, Marvin Lewis wasn't good enough to make the Cincinnati Bengals a dominant NFL franchise. He wasn't near good enough. He was good enough to improve by a huge margin a terrible and pathetic franchise. I'm not sure he should get fired.

I repeat 55-137 were the Bengals the 12 years prior to Marvin coming.

56-55-1 in Marvin's first 7 years with the team.

Those are the plain and simple facts. THe 4-11 this year is enough for you to fire him. I'm simply not sure.

Well, it's still early and they have yet to play the Steelers and Ravens, but you know, the camp of the Bengals shouldn't fire Marvin Lewis stood at 1 on this board.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

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This might be the funniest thing you've ever said. All I've done in this thread is show you facts. All you've done is talk about how quiet he is, how you can't name anyone on the Bengals and how he's totally just like Rex Ryan and Bill Cowher.

My purpose of bringing up Cowher was to show how a great franchise does things. HE did have 3 very bad years in a row. I brought up Rex Ryan simply because he is a Jets coach. I brought him up simply to ask you how many non championship seasons would you keep him before firing him, which you never answered.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

My purpose of bringing up Cowher was to show how a great franchise does things. HE did have 3 very bad years in a row. I brought up Rex Ryan simply because he is a Jets coach. I brought him up simply to ask you how many non championship seasons would you keep him before firing him, which you never answered.

Rex Ryan has accomplished more in less than two seasons than Marvin Lewis has in eight. And for the last time, Cowher had three mediocre seasons after six outstanding ones. Show me Lewis' six outstanding seasons in a row to start his career. The Steelers kept a successful coach around. The Bengals would be keeping a mediocre-at-best one. Those are just the facts.