DADT repeal ... still possible

[Danzig]

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I find it strange that the posts here (and in the past) are uniformly against Mexicans and refer only to the southern border. We are talking about children who didn't have a choice about being here. Nascar and Scuds have been asked to explain how, if it's not about race for them, in regards to these children, what's it about?

We certainly do have illegal immigrants from other countries, outstaying their VISA's, etc. That's not an insignificant problem. But it's not one anybody here has ever mentioned regarding their intense dislike of "illegals" being here.



The DREAM act (which is not an amnesty plan) was introduced by Republicans years and years ago. You said we need comprehensive immigration reform. Nobody would vote for a long, comprehensive bill. Start small, do it piecemeal. Pass some simple, clear, partial but helpful immigration reform for children that everyone on both sides of the aisles have supported for years. Like the DREAM act. The DREAM Act is no free pass. It takes work and time, and is a path, not an end, to citizenship. It doesn't even award citizenship - it awards conditional legal residency.

i'd imagine the southern border gets the most attention since that's the predominant problem. it's not a matter of racism, it's a matter of geography. and yes, dream is very much an amnesty plan, as it grants a faster path to citizenship for those here illegally, when there are proper channels already in place for those brought here by their parents or other family members. the issue isn't how they got here so much as it being an issue of what to do now. why aren't they doing what others did in the past? why are those channels suddenly not feasible?

[Riot]

i'd imagine the southern border gets the most attention since that's the predominant problem. it's not a matter of racism, it's a matter of geography.

Disliking illegals is a matter of geography? How so?

and yes, dream is very much an amnesty plan, as it grants a faster path to citizenship for those here illegally,

Amnesty is forgiveness. This doesn't forgive anything. Amnesty would be, "Oh, you're a kid, here illegally, okay, now that you're 18, we'll pretend that didn't happen, you can stay". This doesn't do that. It grants a long and hard path to legal conditional residency (not citizenship) Method One: Leave the country, get a VISA, come back. Method Two: DREAM Act.

Why not kick all these children out of the country? Why should they be, when they've already been here, part of our culture, functioning as citizens, for years? They didn't come here illegally by choice.

[Danzig]

sweet jesus.

the matter of geography is the southern border. the one that many illegals cross over. there's no doubt that the predominance of illegal immigrants being of mexican descent has quite a bit to do with the fact that they have a far easier time of crossing the border than someone who doesn't share an incredibly long, hard to defend bit of geographical fact. since only two countries butt up to us, you'd have to think that our predominant issue with someone arriving and staying illegally has something to do with how they get here,and whether their arrival is via mexico or canada. i don't recall reading about a boatload of immigrants sailing into san francisco, or new york much these days, do you? and yes, people overstay their visa after flying in. no joke.
you want to say it's racism, i'd say it's vicinity. as an aside, i think the race card is played far, far too often. are some here racist? no doubt. is every instance of disagreement a race-based one? of course not.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

sweet jesus.
the matter of geography is the southern border. .

sweet jesus indeed. You misunderstood. I'm not talking about illegal immigrant access. I'm talking about the origin of anti-immigrant dislike. Which, to be fair, has been here since the pilgrims landed.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Riot

sweet jesus indeed. You misunderstood. I'm not talking about illegal immigrant access. I'm talking about the origin of anti-immigrant dislike. Which, to be fair, has been here since the pilgrims landed.

And in the case of the pilgrims it was justified.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by jms62

And in the case of the pilgrims it was justified.

Absolutely Here, have some smallpox and die.