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[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

You are smarter than this, I know it. And it's not after the fact. I said it right after the JCGC and before the Classic.

After the JCGC is after the fact. That's as after the fact as it gets.

You said it because the horse ran worse than you expected and you expect him to bounce back and run better in the next race.

Originally Posted by Dahoss

It's weird, you use Beyers when they suit your arguement, but not when they don't

The Beyers improved between the two races because his circumstances improved. Same exact thing with JCGC 3rd place finisher Fly Down.

The Beyer declined with Haynesfield because of circumstance.

Trips and circumstances dictate outcomes.

Basically - I believe Blame improved because his setup did. I believe Fly Down improve because his setup did. I believe Haynesfield declined sharply because of the difference of his two trips.

You seem to be saying that Blame improved because his trainer purposefully kept him short for the JCGC .. and Fly Down improved because Zito also purposefully kept him short and couldn't care less if he won the JCGC .. and Haynesfield won the JCGC because it was his Super Bowl .. and he declined sharply in the BC Classic solely because he won the Super Bowl last time and the Classic was just his Pro Bowl game or letdown game and he was over the top.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

You seem to be saying that Blame improved because his trainer purposefully kept him short for the JCGC .. and Fly Down improved because Zito also purposefully kept him short and couldn't care less if he won the JCGC .. and Haynesfield won the JCGC because it was his Super Bowl .. and he declined sharply in the BC Classic solely because he won the Super Bowl last time and the Classic was just his Pro Bowl game or letdown game and he was over the top.

This not what I am saying at all and you know it. Read Rollo's post. He explains it pretty well.

The after the fact stuff is a nice touch though. Especially coming from you.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

The after the fact stuff is a nice touch though. Especially coming from you.

It's totally after the fact! If Blame won the race by five - would you still say it was a prep and he was short?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

It's totally after the fact! If Blame won the race by five - would you still say it was a prep and he was short?

When I bet the JCGC I spread, using all 4 of the main contenders, including Haynesfield. Almost immediately after the race I said Blame ran like a horse that needed the race and I couldn't wait to bet him back. My betting indicated I didn't think Blame was going to be fully cranked.

My only point is Stall did not have Blame fully cranked because the goal was not the JCGC. You disagree. Apparently Shirreffs is the only trainer that points to a specific race and trains that way.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Apparently Shirreffs is the only trainer that points to a specific race and trains that way.

He's the best around at doing it.

He's a wizard at getting horses ready off of workouts.

Blame and Fly Down both benefited equally from preps - and Haynesfield won his Super Bowl and lost his Pro Bowl.

I'm sorry - but I don't buy it. They weren't beating Rinterval and Switch by slight margins with a horse who has an established pattern of running peak performances in the Breeders Cup.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

He's the best around at doing it.

He's a wizard at getting horses ready off of workouts.

Blame and Fly Down both benefited equally from preps - and Haynesfield won his Super Bowl and lost his Pro Bowl.

I'm sorry - but I don't buy it. They weren't beating Rinterval and Switch by slight margins with a horse who has an established pattern of running peak performances in the Breeders Cup.

Who is denying Shirreffs isn't good at it? I'm saying he isn't the only one that can do it.

You don't think Blame benefitted from the JCGC? Hilarious.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

You don't think Blame benefitted from the JCGC? Hilarious.

He benefited enough from it that Fly Down got into some trouble and benefited at least as much or more.

We aren't going to agree on this.