Rand Paul, intolerant loser

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Dude you're being dense just to be right. Or maybe you are a complete idiot. Who knows. Don't care enough to continue this conversation with a simplistic robot.

Dense? Would her head have been stepped on when she was in an unthreatening position if there wasn't some jackhole around who was willing to step on her head?

That's simplistic, of course. But the main reason why is that the reason is SIMPLE, so by nature, it's a simplistic argument.

Her head didn't go get itself stepped on. Or maybe it did, and I'm too simple and dense to understand how those kinds of things happen. I don't care if she has a concussion or whether she just had to experience it...it's pretty wild watching you make excuses for public violence towards a woman just because "both sides have crazy people."

And I'm the dense and simplistic one. Sheesh.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Dense? Would her head have been stepped on when she was in an unthreatening position if there wasn't some jackhole around who was willing to step on her head?

That's simplistic, of course. But the main reason why is that the reason is SIMPLE, so by nature, it's a simplistic argument.

Her head didn't go get itself stepped on. Or maybe it did, and I'm too simple and dense to understand how those kinds of things happen. I don't care if she has a concussion or whether she just had to experience it...it's pretty wild watching you make excuses for public violence towards a woman just because "both sides have crazy people."

And I'm the dense and simplistic one. Sheesh.

So now it's acceptable behavior to put on a wig, make a sign with bad liberal humor, travel from Massachusetts on company dime, and have a gotcha moment with a politician?

Consequences for actions, Brian. Not everything is cut and dry in the wild. There are laws but the government hasn't put a chip in our heads to remind us how to behave. If they did this incident would of never have happened.

It happened. You have two people with a financial interest in the election. Their livelihoods will benefit if their candidate gets elected. These people are desperate. This isn't some Utopia we're in right now and if you aren't aware of your actions in public and you don't realize the consequences then there is a chance you will end up on the ground with a foot on your shoulder.

And I'm giving MoveOn.org the benefit of the doubt here. They can't be so retarded that they've never considered their actions could lead to an occasional physical altercation.

Of course I could be the naive one and maybe the Repubcorp sign or whatever the f.uck it said was all they were going for. But then I'd have to sniff lots of gas for that to happen so I'll go with the first one.

[brianwspencer]

Well we completely disagree on that. It's not Utopian to think that people should be able to control themselves and behave like human beings, even if provoked (and hilariously enough, especially when that provocation involves a wig and holding a sign....some extreme provocation in the big picture, we agree on that, at least).

It's the same exact argument in a different sphere that women should be aware of what they wear in public and how much they drink so they don't get raped by people prone to raping women and trying to blame their outfit or intoxication for forcing them to grab the woman off a street and force them into an alley.

These things happen because there is someone willing to do them, not because someone wore a short skirt, or wore a wig and held a sign to get a gotcha moment with a politician. That's just absolving people of personal responsibility and the duty to have some common decency and self-restraint towards other people.

The absence of people who were willing to be violent towards each other would guarantee that they wouldn't happen. That's not Utopian, that's the truth. If people can't control themselves and keep themselves from harming each other, it's THEIR fault, plain and simple, and passing the blame in even the slightest way to the person they attacked is horrid.

We can disagree on that, but it's hardly naive to expect people to control themselves, and in turn, expect them to take ALL the responsibility for it when they don't.

And he will be punished for it.

We just fundamentally disagree on the human condition...correct me if I'm wrong.

I believe that humans, for the most part, are lousy and beyond changing. You seem to believe that this can change and expect the best out of everyone.

Well it would be nice. I'd like to live like a polygamist without the religion and inbreeding but realize it's never going to happen...just like humans will never be truly civilized.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

And he will be punished for it.

We just fundamentally disagree on the human condition...correct me if I'm wrong.

I believe that humans, for the most part, are lousy and beyond changing. You seem to believe that this can change and expect the best out of everyone.

Well it would be nice. I'd like to live like a polygamist without the religion and inbreeding but realize it's never going to happen...just like humans will never be truly civilized.

I agree that lots of humans are lousy and pitiful...but I don't believe that that's an excuse for violence or not having to be responsible for it.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I agree that lots of humans are lousy and pitiful...but I don't believe that that's an excuse for violence or not having to be responsible for it.

Yeah because violence is something new to humans. It just started since Obama got in office. Throughout history people were rational and non-violent.

Get the f.uck out of here with that Pollyanna bulls.hit.

And he will be held responsible for his actions and will be punished accordingly.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Yeah because violence is something new to humans. It just started since Obama got in office. Throughout history people were rational and non-violent.

Get the f.uck out of here with that Pollyanna bulls.hit.

And he will be held responsible for his actions and will be punished accordingly.

Well that was a cogent, and completely honest paraphrase of what I said.

Or not even close at all, but that doesn't really matter, I suppose.

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This is looking worse all the time. Here's the Rand Paul campaign worker, Tim Profitt, who stomped her in the head.

The Daily News is reporting he is the Rand Paul Bourbon Country campaign coordinator, and he was fired from that position today.

And it now starts to look like it was deliberate and premeditated.

He's blaming the police for not preventing it. Because he says they already knew the woman, and all about MoveOn, and they didn't like her at the rallies, what she does, etc (the politics)



And yes charges have been filed. Here's the article:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/1..._n_774285.html

A volunteer with Rand Paul's Senate campaign has admitted to placing his shoe firmly on the face of a MoveOn.org volunteer outside a Senate debate on Monday night, but insisted that the camera angle of the footage that captured the altercation made the scuffle look worse than it was.

Tim Profitt apologized for the incident in a statement sent to a local AP reporter. But he also criticized the police for not stepping in to calm down the crowd and argued that other supporters had previously warned authorities about the MoveOn activist, Lauren Valle.

(See Valle's recounting of the event below)

Profitt is not, it appears, a random campaign volunteer. Almost immediately after admitting his role, a picture of him and Paul surfaced.

The local blog Barefoot and Progressive also noted that the Paul campaign once touted Profitt's endorsement in a newspaper ad.

A spokesman for the Lexington Police Department said on Tuesday afternoon that "Mr. Profitt is currently being served with a criminal summons ordering him to appear before a Fayette County District Court Judge."

UPDATE: On Tuesday, Lauren Valle spoke for the first time since being thrust into the center of an alarming campaign fracas. Valle said that she recognized the Paul supporters who went after her and felt frightened almost immediately after they claimed they were there to do "crowd control." Her treatment, she said, was "premeditated."

I have been at a bunch of events before, the previous debate, and the Rand Paul campaign knows me and they have expressed their distastes for my work before. What happened last night was that about five minutes before Rand Paul's car arrived they identified me and my partner, Alex, who was with me. They surrounded me. There was five of them. They motioned to each other and got behind me. My partner Alex heard them say 'We are here to do crowd control we might have to take someone out.'

When Rand Paul's car arrived a couple of them stepped in front of me so I stepped off the curb to get around them to get back out front. At that point they started grabbing for me and I ran all the way around the car with them in pursuit. The footage is after I've run all the way around the car and I'm in front of the car and that is when they took me down. One or two people twisted my arms behind my back and took me down... It was about two-to-three second after that that another person stomped on my head. And I lay there for 20 seconds or so and my partner Alex came and got me up and that's the point where there is the media clip of me speaking.

Valle, who is going on MSNBC's Countdown With Keith Olbermann Tuesday night to discuss the event, said that the closest she got to Paul was "about five feet away" and that was only because she was running from the crowd.

As for the notion that she was kicked on the neck, not the head, she replied: "My memory of them is sort of that of a traumatized person. I think it was my head. My head is in a lot of pain today, my neck is kind of kinked. But I distinctly remember a blow to my head."

Addressing the next steps that she will take legally, she offered the following: "I was questioned by the police for about an hour and then afterwards I did file an assault complaint... I think it's public, one of the people has been identified and he ... works for the campaign and there will be further legal action taken. I'm not sure what it is called, but the detectives are moving forward with the case."

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I agree that lots of humans are lousy and pitiful...but I don't believe that that's an excuse for violence or not having to be responsible for it.

Violence isn't the solution to problems, it just adds to the problem. I guess human beings feel that violence is a solution to problems without thinking what the repurcussions might be.

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The national definition for "how stupid are they in Kentucky?" has just been expanded exponentially.

I think when he and his buddy Mike Pezzano show up at their assault court hearings, they should tell the judge that's what they demand. From their victim.

Unrepentant Rand Paul Stomper Wants Apology

This sounds about as likely as an Aqua Buddha sighting: Tim Profitt, the man who was caught stomping the head of a MoveOn.org protester at Rand Paul’s Monday night debate, has asked his victim for an apology. “I don’t think it’s that big of a deal,” Profitt said. “I would like for her to apologize to me to be honest with you.” Previously, Profitt had said he had to step on the woman’s head because his back hurt, rendering him unable to bend over to hold her down.

www.dailybeast.com

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Here's what MoveOn.org does: They dress up like businessmen and hold up signs. They don't yell, don't provoke, they are completely passive. The woman was holding the "Rand Paul Employee of The Month" sign.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/moveon/...44709765/show/

This showed these Rand Paul supporters involved in KY for exactly what they are - intolerant, physically violent losers. Wearing "Don't Tread On Me" stickers. Hypocritical morons who talk one story about liberty and freedom, yet physically assault a passive woman holding a sign they don't like at a public rally.

The conversation should be about how much people like Sharron Angle and Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck should take responsibility for ginning up the base to physical violence and "Second Amendment Remedies" if the democratic political process doesn't turn out the way they want.