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[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What exactly was the reason that we have a BC marathon? This race is a joke.

Its obvious they just need a race designated as BC Race so when they sell the packages for 2 days worth of racing they have the product.

Its silly and stupid, they had the perfect format with 7 races and like racing always does F'd it all up.

[hockey2315]

I like all the other additions (why would you not want more betting opportunities?), but this race is pretty laughable - especially on the dirt. It'll be interesting to see how the Euros run on dirt. . . I'm guessing they won't run well for the most part.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

I like all the other additions (why would you not want more betting opportunities?), but this race is pretty laughable - especially on the dirt. It'll be interesting to see how the Euros run on dirt. . . I'm guessing they won't run well for the most part.

It is a race in a non-existent division. They would be better off wth a filly turf sprint if they want to have C level BC races.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It is a race in a non-existent division. They would be better off wth a filly turf sprint if they want to have C level BC races.

I agree with you that it's a joke. Obviously it's meant to appeal to the Euros, as they have a "stayer" division over there. . . the fact that it's not on turf is possibly the biggest joke of all.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

I agree with you that it's a joke. Obviously it's meant to appeal to the Euros, as they have a "stayer" division over there. . . the fact that it's not on turf is possibly the biggest joke of all.

On turf it would just be a bad race. On dirt it is a complete waste of time.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

On turf it would just be a bad race. On dirt it is a complete waste of time.

Riot may say that peer-reviewed scientific study would show that there are less injuries in 1 3/4 dirt races than any other races in the US.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Riot may say that peer-reviewed scientific study would show that there are less injuries in 1 3/4 dirt races than any other races in the US.

Did you just respond to yourself?

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

I like all the other additions (why would you not want more betting opportunities?), but this race is pretty laughable - especially on the dirt. It'll be interesting to see how the Euros run on dirt. . . I'm guessing they won't run well for the most part.

I dont see how the other races have made the BC better, it was much more interesting when the euro horses entered both the filly and colt juveniles....when mile horses with speed tried to stretch it to 10F.

The turf sprint is even a novelty IMO, is there even a grade 1 turf sprint, or how many are grade 2 during the year. Again was better to have them try it in the dirt, would we have ever had a Sheik Albadou if there was a grass sprint?

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I dont see how the other races have made the BC better, it was much more interesting when the euro horses entered both the filly and colt juveniles....when mile horses with speed tried to stretch it to 10F.

The turf sprint is even a novelty IMO, is there even a grade 1 turf sprint, or how many are grade 2 during the year. Again was better to have them try it in the dirt, would we have ever had a Sheik Albadou if there was a grass sprint?

You must not bet. . .

The GI Nearctic was run at Woodbine last weekend.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

You must not bet. . .

Thats a great comeback.......so the justification for it being the highest level of the sport is if its a great betting race.

They should make all stake races at Hoosier Park grade 1's and every race run at HP a listed stake if that was the case.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Thats a great comeback.......so the justification for it being the highest level of the sport is if its a great betting race.

They should make all stake races at Hoosier Park grade 1's and every race run at HP a listed stake if that was the case.

Gone are the days where racing will draw because of the quality of the horses. . . The old people and purists need to get over it.

My knowledge doesn't go far enough back to confirm this, but all anyone ever says is how much the horses of today suck compared to the horses from past generations. . . so who cares about the "highest level of the sport"?

The only way racing has any chance of surviving is if it is presented as an attractive betting product and alternative to the less intellectually driven forms of gambling that dominate the market.

[RockHardTen1985]

Does anyone think Morning Line can make an impact in the Classic?

[RockHardTen1985]

Is Allure d’Amour running in the Juvy Filly Turf race?

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Does anyone think Morning Line can make an impact in the Classic?

For five furlongs or so.

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Is Allure d’Amour running in the Juvy Filly Turf race?

Yes, she's Pletcher's 2nd best horse in the race.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

The turf sprint is even a novelty IMO, is there even a grade 1 turf sprint, or how many are grade 2 during the year. Again was better to have them try it in the dirt, would we have ever had a Sheik Albadou if there was a grass sprint?

Turf Sprints to me are a catch all for horses incapable of running in other distances/surfaces. Open the gates, run like hell and hope you can keep it going to the end. 5 furlongs bursts are easier than sustaining your speed going longer.... even over 6f's.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Turf Sprints to me are a catch all for horses incapable of running in other distances/surfaces. Open the gates, run like hell and hope you can keep it going to the end. 5 furlongs bursts are easier than sustaining your speed going longer.... even over 6f's.

These PLUGS are so woeful that it's a wonder they're able to win any of those turf sprints. What with all those dirt sprinters and dirt/turf routers running in those easy pickings races. Oh wait, that doesn't really happen does it? These PLUGS regularly kick the s h i t out of dirt sprinters and dirt/turf cutbacks, when turf sprinting.

And, I play these races @ CRC, TAM, GP, FG, MTH, KEE, CD, SAR, etc., and with the exception of, arguably, the strongest turf bias I've witnessed in over 30 years of playing the races, @ SAR, it doesn't really seem to work out as much as one would think for the speed.

Which probably means these horses have a 'special' ability. Clearly, they have the best 'footwork' in the game.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

These PLUGS are so woeful that it's a wonder they're able to win any of those turf sprints. What with all those dirt sprinters and dirt/turf routers running in those easy pickings races. Oh wait, that doesn't really happen does it? These PLUGS regularly kick the s h i t out of dirt sprinters and dirt/turf cutbacks, when turf sprinting.

And, I play these races @ CRC, TAM, GP, FG, MTH, SAR, etc., and with the exception of, arguably, the strongest turf bias I've witnessed in over 30 years of playing the races, @ SAR, it doesn't really seem to work out as much as one would think for the speed.

Which probably means these horses have a 'special' ability. Clearly, they have the best 'footwork' in the game.

Since you play so many of these races, do you have any opinion on the BC Turf Sprint?

[the_fat_man]

Haven't followed the game since the last week @ SAR. Significantly behind in terms of data. Doubtful I catch up by BC day. No opinion, sorry.

[JerseyJ]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Since you play so many of these races, do you have any opinion on the BC Turf Sprint?

I love how TFM considers these horses plugs strictly because they specialize in something...most horses do specialize in one thing because that's what their trainers become good at. I don't mind turf sprints, I will play them. I think they are fun races and outstanding races to cap and bet because often times it's chaos at the finish and trips play the biggest part in them. And really I thought Saratoga's course didn't play so biased towards the turf sprints, it was the routes where horses went right to the front and strictly wired field. The 500 thousand dollar question here is though, even though he may play so many of them, is the opinion of an 0 for 66er at one point really the best place to look?