8/28 (SAR): Travers Day

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Hilarious to see all those gate-to-wire jobs in the 87 or so dirt sprints at Toga today


Yeah, dirt rules

I know, dirt sucks. If it wasn't for dirt we'd all think Richard's Kid was a legitimate handicap horse, right?

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I know, dirt sucks. If it wasn't for dirt we'd all think Richard's Kid was a legitimate handicap horse, right?

Whatever you can say about POLY, and much negative has, you never get the type of **** on it that happened today at SAR. This was a joke today. Good thing they watered the track before the Travers, and, by that point, ALL the jocks were hip to the bias, so there was some early action, and the race played out reasonably fairly. But I certainly didn't bet it as I had no idea how the track would play for it. Biased DIRT, pretty much biased TURF, for most of the meet, makes for some real healthy gambling.

As for RK, I'm sure that very fast dirt horse, Quality Road, would have no problem kicking RK's ass going 12F on POLY. QR is a 'legitimate handicap horse', isn't he?

[Smooth Operator]

Why do I get the feeling that there won't be a water truck in sight before the PE tomorrow … lol

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

As for RK, I'm sure that very fast dirt horse, Quality Road, would have no problem kicking RK's ass going 12F on POLY. QR is a 'legitimate handicap horse', isn't he?

This is about as stupid as it gets.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

As for RK, I'm sure that very fast dirt horse, Quality Road, would have no problem kicking RK's ass going 12F on POLY. QR is a 'legitimate handicap horse', isn't he?

This is dumb and beneath you.

NT

[Smooth Operator]

Lol … could you see speed merchant QR trying to go 12 panels on syn

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

This is dumb and beneath you.

NT

What's dumb and beneath me is having to play BIASED tracks on major racing days. Unlike you, and some of the others here, racing for me is about handicapping and trying to make money. So, give me a fair course OR a consistently biased course, and I'll be just fine. It doesn't really matter to me which horse shapes up better historically or which horse is 'faster' on a given surface. Until a system is in place that can accurately measure 'speed', and reconcile it, over the different surfaces, it probably shouldn't matter to you either.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

What's dumb and beneath me is having to play BIASED tracks on major racing days. Unlike you, and some of the others here, racing for me is about handicapping and trying to make money. So, give me a fair course OR a consistently biased course, and I'll be just fine. It doesn't really matter to me which horse shapes up better historically or which horse is 'faster' on a given surface. Until a system is in place that can accurately measure 'speed', and reconcile it, over the different surfaces, it probably shouldn't matter to you either.

How difficult is it to recognize what is going on and adjust your thinking on the fly or take you money and play somewhere else?

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

How difficult is it to recognize what is going on and adjust your thinking on the fly or take you money and play somewhere else?

Oh..you mean like most handicappers do? What is so hard for people to understand about that. Track bias is part of the game. It's a hell of a lot easier than trying to figure out who's going to run the fastest for the final 50 yards on rubber.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

Oh..you mean like most handicappers do? What is so hard for people to understand about that. Track bias is part of the game. It's a hell of a lot easier than trying to figure out who's going to run the fastest for the final 50 yards on rubber.

and that is a flaw in tfm's logic. he derides bias on a dirt track, but isn't there a bias on poly? so, it seems the issue for him isn't a bias, he just prefers to bet poly. good for him-perhaps not good for everyone tho.

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

What's dumb and beneath me is having to play BIASED tracks on major racing days. Unlike you, and some of the others here, racing for me is about handicapping and trying to make money. So, give me a fair course OR a consistently biased course, and I'll be just fine. It doesn't really matter to me which horse shapes up better historically or which horse is 'faster' on a given surface. Until a system is in place that can accurately measure 'speed', and reconcile it, over the different surfaces, it probably shouldn't matter to you either.

why do you act like dirt tracks are the only ones with bias? Did you play Del Mar at all last weekend? A horse couldn't win on the lead if they had a 100 yard head start.

[cmorioles]

105 Beyer for the Travers.

Discreetly Mine, 93.
Rightly So, 100.
Rapport, 103.
Dynaslew, 99.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

105 Beyer for the Travers.

Discreetly Mine, 93.
Rightly So, 100.
Rapport, 103.
Dynaslew, 99.

So Discreetly Mine regressed 18pts gotcha.. Maybe that 111 is the product of 6.5f Spaland?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Whatever you can say about POLY, and much negative has, you never get the type of **** on it that happened today at SAR. This was a joke today. Good thing they watered the track before the Travers, and, by that point, ALL the jocks were hip to the bias, so there was some early action, and the race played out reasonably fairly. But I certainly didn't bet it as I had no idea how the track would play for it. Biased DIRT, pretty much biased TURF, for most of the meet, makes for some real healthy gambling.

As for RK, I'm sure that very fast dirt horse, Quality Road, would have no problem kicking RK's ass going 12F on POLY. QR is a 'legitimate handicap horse', isn't he?

WTF? What does going 12f on **** surfaces have to do with anything? QR would eat RK alive on dirt from 1f-12f. He would also beat him on shitty rubber going up to 10f. 12f would likely be pushing it and the GOAT 1 would have him ready to fire late.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

WTF? What does going 12f on **** surfaces have to do with anything? QR would eat RK alive on dirt from 1f-12f. He would also beat him on shitty rubber going up to 10f. 12f would likely be pushing it and the GOAT 1 would have him ready to fire late.

He had his chance and REFUSED.

No Mas

[DaTruth]

What was the name of the horse who was scratched from the 2008 Santa Margarita instead of facing Nashoba's Key. Something about not being 100% ready.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

What was the name of the horse who was scratched from the 2008 Santa Margarita instead of facing Nashoba's Key. Something about not being 100% ready.

Excellent point. The ducking has been going on for a long time.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Excellent point. The ducking has been going on for a long time.

I'd forgotten all about it (plus what a good horse Nashoba's Key was) until DrugS reminded us.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I know, dirt sucks. If it wasn't for dirt we'd all think Richard's Kid was a legitimate handicap horse, right?

It is what it is, if you are going to make pre-conditions about grade 1's then what would you call that Woodward field last yr excluding Rachel? A grade 2...No, it goes down as a grade 1. You don't selectively downgrade a race because of the competition or the surface. It's all fair in the wash.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by CSC

It is what it is, if you are going to make pre-conditions about grade 1's then what would you call that Woodward field last yr excluding Rachel? A grade 2...No, it goes down as a grade 1. You don't selectively downgrade a race because of the competition or the surface. It's all fair in the wash.

I spoke too soon.