Meanest Trainer Ever?

[The Devil]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

I would like to see someone defend this quote...



http://www.wlky.com/news/24426672/detail.html

Chicken man, you have no ideal what it is like to be around a race horse.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by The Devil

Chicken man, you have no ideal what it is like to be around a race horse.

Wait so b/c they are a big animal we should have an anything goes attitude towards face whipping? I don't see Circus trainers hit Tigers in the face. The people defending this are basically saying this "was the only way." The fact is he knew he did something wrong. If it was the correct way to do things, why would he admit that.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Wait so b/c they are a big animal we should have an anything goes attitude towards face whipping? I don't see Circus trainers hit Tigers in the face. The people defending this are basically saying this "was the only way." The fact is he knew he did something wrong. If it was the correct way to do things, why would he admit that.

I didnt see this horse get whipped in the face. I see the horse getting whipped in the side & then hit in the face once with Carrols hand. If he had been out there just whipping the horse in the face over and over, then that would be a different story.. but you can see the whip hitting the horse in the side, not the face.

Originally Posted by The Devil

Chicken man, you have no ideal what it is like to be around a race horse.

I've spent plenty of time around race horses and I've ridden them as well but that has absolutely nothing to do with what Carroll did nor does it justify it. Only a stall-mucking, mouth-breathing rube such as yourself would think otherwise.

Now go crawl back in your lurker troll hole before you get completely obliterated.

[trackrat59]

I have a question. Let me know if I'm off on what I'm seeing.

I watched the video several times. Yes, the horse was out of control and D.C. was trying to gain control, get the horse to run straight, and move over to the rail. From what I saw in the video it appears the horse finally starts moving toward the rail as he goes into the turn and appears to be less rank at that point. This is when the horse gets smacked in the face. Did I see that correctly? If so it was unfair to slap the horse in the face at that point. If it was done as an attempt to gain control in a dangerous situation so be it.

[PatCummings]

I repeat...

Jeremy Rose was suspended for three months.

[Echo Farm]

Originally Posted by PatCummings

I repeat...

Jeremy Rose was suspended for three months.

Not that it matters, initially the suspension was 6 months and was reduced to 3 months about a month later.

I'm curious as to what kind of pressure was put on Paulick to make his story disappear.

Originally Posted by Echo Farm

Not that it matters, initially the suspension was 6 months and was reduced to 3 months about a month later.

I'm curious as to what kind of pressure was put on Paulick to make his story disappear.

"Don't post that video unless you've been around thoroughbreds most of your life. If not, you're a huge sissy. David is a man AND a nice guy. Can't say the same about you."

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by trackrat59

I have a question. Let me know if I'm off on what I'm seeing.

I watched the video several times. Yes, the horse was out of control and D.C. was trying to gain control, get the horse to run straight, and move over to the rail. From what I saw in the video it appears the horse finally starts moving toward the rail as he goes into the turn and appears to be less rank at that point. This is when the horse gets smacked in the face. Did I see that correctly? If so it was unfair to slap the horse in the face at that point. If it was done as an attempt to gain control in a dangerous situation so be it.

His quote about it pretty much admitted that it was unnecessary and done only out of frustration.

[Honu]

Pete Eurton should have sang kumbayaa to that horse and maybe he wouldnt have tried to eat him alive. If someone hasnt been on a horse out of control then you have no idea what a person should or should not do. Horses are like children and sometimes you need to knock the crap out of them to get them to pay attention.

[Linny]

Thoroughbreds are sensistive and often thin skinned. (Anyone one needing proof can come to my barn and bathe/groom the horse in my avatar.) I'm sure the horse felt this and felt it good. However, anyone who has been on a horse that is out of control or close to it, no matter what the breed will do anything to get it's mind back on working. This horse was very rank and while DC's actions were harsh it is unfair for people who don't ride and/or deal with horses to get it, sometimes you just have to show some force.
I'm the first one to spoil a horse with treats, ear scratches and neck rubs but when a 1200+ lb. creature decides that he's in charge, there are not that many ways to set him straight.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by trackrat59

I have a question. Let me know if I'm off on what I'm seeing.

I watched the video several times. Yes, the horse was out of control and D.C. was trying to gain control, get the horse to run straight, and move over to the rail. From what I saw in the video it appears the horse finally starts moving toward the rail as he goes into the turn and appears to be less rank at that point. This is when the horse gets smacked in the face. Did I see that correctly? If so it was unfair to slap the horse in the face at that point. If it was done as an attempt to gain control in a dangerous situation so be it.

that's the thing, when a horse is out of control or being difficult, the last thing you want to do when he finally starts giving in is whack him. you're supposed to make the horse realize that things get difficult when he gets difficult, things get easy when he behaves. how is a whack in the head a reward for doing somethiing right?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Danzig

that's the thing, when a horse is out of control or being difficult, the last thing you want to do when he finally starts giving in is whack him. you're supposed to make the horse realize that things get difficult when he gets difficult, things get easy when he behaves. how is a whack in the head a reward for doing somethiing right?

i didnt see the horse doing anything right.

[trackrat59]

Originally Posted by Danzig

that's the thing, when a horse is out of control or being difficult, the last thing you want to do when he finally starts giving in is whack him. you're supposed to make the horse realize that things get difficult when he gets difficult, things get easy when he behaves. how is a whack in the head a reward for doing somethiing right?

Anger aside, very bad training move for wacking the horse just as he calmed down and made the turn. He got wacked in the face as he was doing what he was being asked to do.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by trackrat59

Anger aside, very bad training move for wacking the horse just as he calmed down and made the turn. He got wacked in the face as he was doing what he was being asked to do.

that's what i thought. it's counterproductive. any give at all is a reason to stop punishing the horse. the blow itself may not have been physical harmful..but how does it move the horse forward?