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			 This one could be a bitch .... 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
	![]() Multiple Grade 1 winning turf horse who sucked miserably on dirt. Name him.  | 
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			 Diplomatic Jet? Won the Turf Classic, Man O' War, and Manhattan back in the mid 90's? 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			 Yep. I would have bet the house no one was getting that one not named Kiri's or Rollo.  
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
	Diplomatic Jet was 7 for 13 over the Belmont turf with his 3 Grade 1 wins coming at 29/1 odds (By 4 lengths in the Manhatten) 11/1 odds (By 2 lengths in the Man O' War) and he also paid $13.40 when he won the Turf Classic. Not to mention a win at 6/1 in the Knickerbocker and that 12 lengths score in the Pilgram at age 2.  | 
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			![]() Future Grade 1 winner ... was an absolute bum of a horse until he started going long on the turf with blinkers. Name him.  | 
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 That Champagne day was very interesting. A future champ got beat at 1/5, another future champ won by 21, and a Derby winner finished last. Name them without looking at the charts from that day... 
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			 Flanders by 21 - I'm assuming Sea Hero was the Derby winner who ran last. Not sure about who went down at 1/5? 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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			 Lure was beaten at 1/5 by a horse who was trained by the same guy who trained Trivia horse #2.  I just remembered Steve Crist doing the weekend recap with Harvey Pack for that Super Saturday of old. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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			 Man From Wicklow? 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			 Correct. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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			 The Nijinsky's Gold hint gave it away.  His win over Lure in the Kelso was a highwater mark for Labreds.  Tony Richey trained Nijinsky's Gold for many of his starts. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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 Nice one!! I knew I had seen the PP's before but had to go cheat and go back through the charts to figure out who it was. 
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			 I'm not good at these, but I was thinking Turk Passer but I remembered he didn't wear blinkers, he beat a pretty good field in the Turf Classic the year her won it. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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 Was running right when I started watching racing, and on a family trip to Florida when I was 15, my mom and I rented a truck and drove to Ocala, FL to see the pretty horses. I remember we went to Double Diamond and saw a son of Personal Ensign (Proud Truth or something like that).. and then we went to Fred Hoopers farm and Diplomatic Jet was there... I was like freaking out cause I love that horse.. They let me to in his paddock and hold him on a lead rope.. he was quite a handful (not in a sumitis type of way though). Good memories.. I'm sure my Mommy has pictures somewhere. Ironically, I now live in the hell hole called Slowcala, and my house isnt too far from Hoopers old farm! 
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			 Slew the Dragon was a really nice and forgotten horse that was miserable on dirt and then moved up tons on turf. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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 Name the horses that were favored in those three Grade I races Diplomatic Jet won in 1996.. One was a Scotty Schulhofer trainee that had once run in the Belmont Stakes, the other was an Arlington Million winner..  | 
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			 Awad was one 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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			 Yup, that's correct.. he was favored in both the Man o War and Turf Classic that year..  | 
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			 I'm not sure which remaining horse is the answer to Kiri's question ..  but here's a horse who was well bet in said race.  
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
	![]() Another like Man From Wicklow whos best game was going long on turf in blinkers .. made 18th career start in the KY Derby .. Grade 1 stakes winner on both surfaces .. made 40 career starts in a span of just 32 months. Name him.  | 
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			 Mecke 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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