I need to listen to ATR more often

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

WOW … 10 of PE's 13 career races were at the same race track???

That's hilarious.


Gotta find out more about some of these 'monster' mares from the past (like WC) when I get a chance


By the way, you guys do realize that turf titans such as Funny Cide, Charismatic, and Mine That Bird have also won the KY Derby … right?

Man, just stop. If you are comparing Winning Colors to Charismatic and Mine That Bird to justify your ridiculous position, you are even more moronic than anyone here could possibly have imagined.

I assure you, any number of the colts that WC beat in her Derby, horses like Risen Star and Forty Niner, would have handled Zenyatta.

Your stupidity just is mind boggling.

[Smooth Operator]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Man, just stop. If you are comparing Winning Colors to Charismatic and Mine That Bird to justify your ridiculous position, you are even more moronic than anyone here could possibly have imagined.

I assure you, any number of the colts that WC beat in her Derby, horses like Risen Star and Forty Niner, would have handled Zenyatta.

Your stupidity just is mind boggling.

This from the genius who would've advised the hairpiece guy to put the $100k on Line of David instead of Super Saver in the Derby … LMAO


Well, I see this WC was 8 for 19 lifetime (42%) … not exactly the stuff of legends

Looks like she got brave while running loose on the lead in the annual crapshoot at CD and was able to hang on (barely) at the end for the fluky W.

Not surprisingly, she proceeded to get her butt kicked in the Preak and Bel.

I'll keep digging … but not real impressed so far.


Good thing Z didn't have to face a killer like this…

[Antitrust32]

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

This from the genius who would've advised the hairpiece guy to put the $100k on Line of David instead of Super Saver in the Derby … LMAO


Well, I see this WC was 8 for 19 lifetime (42%) … not exactly the stuff of legends

Looks like she got brave while running loose on the lead in the annual crapshoot at CD and was able to hang on (barely) at the end for the fluky W.

Not surprisingly, she proceeded to get her butt kicked in the Preak and Bel.

I'll keep digging … but not real impressed so far.


Good thing Z didn't have to face a killer like this…

You have to be fucl<ing kidding me!!!

Good luck in Bowl season this year.

[Gaining Ground]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

This from the genius who would've advised the hairpiece guy to put the $100k on Line of David instead of Super Saver in the Derby … LMAO


Well, I see this WC was 8 for 19 lifetime (42%) … not exactly the stuff of legends

Looks like she got brave while running loose on the lead in the annual crapshoot at CD and was able to hang on (barely) at the end for the fluky W.

Not surprisingly, she proceeded to get her butt kicked in the Preak and Bel.

I'll keep digging … but not real impressed so far.


Good thing Z didn't have to face a killer like this…

you aren't impressed with a filly winning the derby over the likes of forty niner, risen star, seeking the gold, private terms, brians time and others. but winning a race over gio ponti and twice over does impress you?

seems warped to me.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Gaining Ground

you aren't impressed with a filly winning the derby over the likes of forty niner, risen star, seeking the gold, private terms, brians time and others. but winning a race over gio ponti and twice over does impress you?

seems warped to me.

Everything She Does Is Magic.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Gaining Ground

you aren't impressed with a filly winning the derby over the likes of forty niner, risen star, seeking the gold, private terms, brians time and others. but winning a race over gio ponti and twice over does impress you?

seems warped to me.

or winning the SA Derby by 12

[Smooth Operator]

Originally Posted by Gaining Ground

you aren't impressed with a filly winning the derby over the likes of forty niner, risen star, seeking the gold, private terms, brians time and others. but winning a race over gio ponti and twice over does impress you?

seems warped to me.

Open G1 contests with $5 million purses impress me FAR more than restricted crapshoots for very young animals on the first Sat in May.

Seems like some fillies mature quicker and can more easily compete with colts early in their 3-year-old seasons

Usually a different story later in the year or when they turn four

WC's front-running score in the Derby was commendable … but something she never could've duplicated in a race like the BCC.

Somehow I don't think Shirreffs would've been shaking in his boots at the prospect of facing an 8 for19 monster like WC … lol


More to say to the usual nitwits … but gotta run now

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Somehow I don't think Shirreffs would've been shaking in his boots at the prospect of facing an 8 for19 monster like WC … lol

Just like he's not afraid of taking on the "highest mountain possible" that is Rail Trip.

NT

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Just like he's not afraid of taking on the "highest mountain possible" that is Rail Trip.

NT

If you owned Zenyatta would you be looking to face Rail Trip in what would figure to be a paceless race (and probably a 4 horse field) at his favorite track? I certainly wouldn't.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

If you owned Zenyatta would you be looking to face Rail Trip in what would figure to be a paceless race (and probably a 4 horse field) at his favorite track? I certainly wouldn't.

Who knows, maybe the owner of Zardana will want to run there.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

If you owned Zenyatta would you be looking to face Rail Trip in what would figure to be a paceless race (and probably a 4 horse field) at his favorite track? I certainly wouldn't.

And when she beats Rail Trip, you will see posts like well Rail Trip isn't Quality Road, let's be honest here no matter who she beats or has beaten thus far, this is the theme of her critics.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

If you owned Zenyatta would you be looking to face Rail Trip in what would figure to be a paceless race (and probably a 4 horse field) at his favorite track? I certainly wouldn't.

At this point I wouldn't care about getting my a.ss kissed running against fillies and mares and I'd actually look to challenge my mare. Of course, I would have taken her to Dubai without a doubt and told Jess Jackson, Charles Cella, and anyone else, the hell with your $5 million, I'm going to run for 10.

This is the problem that I have with this horse. Her fans are so fervent in their belief that she's so great that they're starting to believe what the connections say. If you think Zenyatta is the "greatest mare of your lifetime" and an all-time great, then how the hell do you leave her in the barn when a 10f (her supposed best distance) against a horse with a marginal resume is going on? It's absolutely ludicrous.

Besides, regarding your pace question, listen to Davidowitz, she's impervious to it. And as for CS, the chief green and pink flag waver, I'd be the first to say that Rail Trip is the best horse Zenyatta's beaten who was actually running on their preferred surface.

NT

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

If you owned Zenyatta would you be looking to face Rail Trip in what would figure to be a paceless race (and probably a 4 horse field) at his favorite track? I certainly wouldn't.

If I owned Zenyatta (and was rich and didnt need the money) I would run her in the Beverly D.

[Gaining Ground]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Open G1 contests with $5 million purses impress me FAR more than restricted crapshoots for very young animals on the first Sat in May.

Seems like some fillies mature quicker and can more easily compete with colts early in their 3-year-old seasons

Usually a different story later in the year or when they turn four

WC's front-running score in the Derby was commendable … but something she never could've duplicated in a race like the BCC.

Somehow I don't think Shirreffs would've been shaking in his boots at the prospect of facing an 8 for19 monster like WC … lol


More to say to the usual nitwits … but gotta run now

on dirt you can be rest assured he would have been worried about winning colors. especially on a wet track.

im not taking away anything from zenyatta. but to dismiss winning colors for only winning the derby shows a total lack of objectivity. she matured earlier than zenyatta did. zenyatta hadn't even started her career by the time winning colors had beaten grade 1 males twice.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

This from the genius who would've advised the hairpiece guy to put the $100k on Line of David instead of Super Saver in the Derby … LMAO


Well, I see this WC was 8 for 19 lifetime (42%) … not exactly the stuff of legends

Looks like she got brave while running loose on the lead in the annual crapshoot at CD and was able to hang on (barely) at the end for the fluky W.

Not surprisingly, she proceeded to get her butt kicked in the Preak and Bel.

I'll keep digging … but not real impressed so far.


Good thing Z didn't have to face a killer like this…

Winning Colors won twice as many races against the boys as Zen did. I believe she won your precious Santa Anita Derby(which is an irrelevant race nowadays) At least she tried and campaigned against the boys unlike what Zen does. She took on the BEST male and female horses, EVERYTIME

[cakes44]

Yeah she didn't just win the Santa Anita Derby...she strapped it on and bent that field over.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4Y2bmxqB7o

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Winning Colors won twice as many races against the boys as Zen did. I believe she won your precious Santa Anita Derby(which is an irrelevant race nowadays) At least she tried and campaigned against the boys unlike what Zen does. She took on the BEST male and female horses, EVERYTIME

In that Santa Anita Derby she beat Big Cap winner Ruhlman, millionaire Lively One who won the Swaps and Goodwood, and Tejano. She only lost the Preakness by 2.5 lengths, which was quite an accomplishment considering the steps Woody Stephens took to ensure she did not win.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

This from the genius who would've advised the hairpiece guy to put the $100k on Line of David instead of Super Saver in the Derby … LMAO


Well, I see this WC was 8 for 19 lifetime (42%) … not exactly the stuff of legends

Looks like she got brave while running loose on the lead in the annual crapshoot at CD and was able to hang on (barely) at the end for the fluky W.

Not surprisingly, she proceeded to get her butt kicked in the Preak and Bel.

I'll keep digging … but not real impressed so far.


Good thing Z didn't have to face a killer like this…

You can't be this stupid. It has to be an act - congrats, you've won an Oscar.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Well, I see this WC was 8 for 19 lifetime (42%) … not exactly the stuff of legends

Looks like she got brave while running loose on the lead in the annual crapshoot at CD and was able to hang on (barely) at the end for the fluky W.


Good thing Z didn't have to face a killer like this…

That last part is the first sensical thing you've ever said about Zenyatta on here, even though you didn't mean it.