Zenyatta assigned 129 pounds for Vanity

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There is no reason for them to go there.

your being completely hypocritical here, there is no more reason to go east for zenyatta as there is for QR to go west.

Or what, is this another "if you want to be considered great you have to race at belmont or saratoga" ideas that seemed to permeate Azeri's career with the racing fans?

[Smooth Operator]

Hard to resist taking a few (cheap) shots at the competition


Time to get an early start on the big weekend

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

your being completely hypocritical here, there is no more reason to go east for zenyatta as there is for QR to go west.

Or what, is this another "if you want to be considered great you have to race at belmont or saratoga" ideas that seemed to permeate Azeri's career with the racing fans?

Give me a break. What happened when Azeri came East? She lost because she wasn't facing the AAA horses anymore. And yes if you want to be considered great you have to run in the races in which great horses run. Winning the Clement Hirsh and Vanity over suspect horses isn't the stuff legends are made of.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Give me a break. What happened when Azeri came East? She lost because she wasn't facing the AAA horses anymore. And yes if you want to be considered great you have to run in the races in which great horses run. Winning the Clement Hirsh and Vanity over suspect horses isn't the stuff legends are made of.

your comparing fillies and colts

do you really think the ogden phipps would enhance her reputation against personal ensign? cmon

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

your comparing fillies and colts

do you really think the ogden Phipps would enhance her reputation against personal ensign? cmon

She isn't good enough to run against colts now?

Personal Ensign was a completely different story as she was running with 20 screws in her leg and the very best colts in her era are in a far different league than what we have now. There is no way to accurately compare the two. Now if she were to do something like win the Stephen Foster or Whitney then she would definitely be ranked ahead of Personal Ensign.

And yes winning the Phipps would certainly enhance her reputation.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

She isn't good enough to run against colts now?

Personal Ensign was a completely different story as she was running with 20 screws in her leg and the very best colts in her era are in a far different league than what we have now. There is no way to accurately compare the two. Now if she were to do something like win the Stephen Foster or Whitney then she would definitely be ranked ahead of Personal Ensign.

And yes winning the Phipps would certainly enhance her reputation.

I don't think Zenyatta has anything to worry about from Blame or QR at 1 1/4, if all things come together, the sceptics that want her to lose(not you cannonball) will get their wish of Beldame(weight for age)/JCGC and BC Classic. Whether it happens earlier in the yr or later is immaterial to me. I would just love to see her at Belmont and those sweeping turns. Then cap it off where her Daddy ran his best race in his career. One may hate the way Sheriff's has campaigned her in 09, but if she does close it out in this manner, his handling of her has been genious. Don't forget they shipped earlier in the year in hopes of meeting some good eastern competition, it's hardly her fault they were scared to face her.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

She isn't good enough to run against colts now?

Personal Ensign was a completely different story as she was running with 20 screws in her leg and the very best colts in her era are in a far different league than what we have now. There is no way to accurately compare the two. Now if she were to do something like win the Stephen Foster or Whitney then she would definitely be ranked ahead of Personal Ensign.

And yes winning the Phipps would certainly enhance her reputation.

we know already, she's peppers pride part two as I have read here many times.

frankly my schedule would have been more aggressive, hardly makes the horse the equal gourmet girl or something of that ilk.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

we know already, she's peppers pride part two as I have read here many times.

frankly my schedule would have been more aggressive, hardly makes the horse the equal gourmet girl or something of that ilk.

No one said that but this isn't a horse of the year type campaign which is a shame because she very well may be the best horse in training. They want her to be horse of the year and on a sidenote beat RA. They aren't really accomplishing either by continuing the cupcake schedule.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

your being completely hypocritical here, there is no more reason to go east for zenyatta as there is for QR to go west.

Or what, is this another "if you want to be considered great you have to race at belmont or saratoga" ideas that seemed to permeate Azeri's career with the racing fans?

you're right. unless of course they want to be able to say they travelled, took on the best, etc etc.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

you're right. unless of course they want to be able to say they travelled, took on the best, etc etc.

Quality Road just ran in the Met Mile and is scheduled to run in the Whitney and Woodward. Zenyatta just ran in the Apple Blossom and is scheduled to run in the Vanity and Clement Hirsh. LOL, you make the call on the tougher schedule!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Quality Road just ran in the Met Mile and is scheduled to run in the Whitney and Woodward. Zenyatta just ran in the Apple Blossom and is scheduled to run in the Vanity and Clement Hirsh. LOL, you make the call on the tougher schedule!

oh, i agree quality road has had tougher races thus far this year. and his breaking of his own record in the donn is another feather in his cap.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

your being completely hypocritical here, there is no more reason to go east for zenyatta as there is for QR to go west.

Or what, is this another "if you want to be considered great you have to race at belmont or saratoga" ideas that seemed to permeate Azeri's career with the racing fans?

Originally Posted by Danzig

you're right. unless of course they want to be able to say they travelled, took on the best, etc etc.

I love the whole QR ain't shipping west this year.

Did the Zenyattards forget he actually did ship to California for the BCC last year?

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I love the whole QR ain't shipping west this year.

Did the Zenyattards forget he actually did ship to California for the BCC last year?

and Zenyatta is going to ship twice, what is your point?

Frankly if I owned the horse she would never race in california but the complete double standard being applied here is not the logical argument.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

and Zenyatta is going to ship twice, what is your point?

Frankly if I owned the horse she would never race in california but the complete double standard being applied here is not the logical argument.

Since when is shipping like some huge handicap?

There is no double standard. Quality Road is running in the better races, period. Running in the Donn, Met Mile, Whitney, Woodward means he is running in the best races both historically and prestigewise. There is no comparison. Hell Zenyatta isn't even running in the best races in Ca. She didn't run in the Big Cap, she isn't going to run in the hollywood Gold Cup, She isnt going to run in the Pacific Classic...and the CA older horse division is terrible.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Since when is shipping like some huge handicap?

There is no double standard. Quality Road is running in the better races, period. Running in the Donn, Met Mile, Whitney, Woodward means he is running in the best races both historically and prestigewise. There is no comparison. Hell Zenyatta isn't even running in the best races in Ca. She didn't run in the Big Cap, she isn't going to run in the hollywood Gold Cup, She isnt going to run in the Pacific Classic...and the CA older horse division is terrible.

quality road is a colt, a filly can never be in the same class as a great colt IMO. They might be able to beat them once in a while but you get a fast colt its silly to compare them.

Make no mistake, if QR faces the RA of last year in the whitney he smokes her as well, he aint no macho again.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

quality road is a colt, a filly can never be in the same class as a great colt IMO. They might be able to beat them once in a while but you get a fast colt its silly to compare them.

Make no mistake, if QR faces the RA of last year in the whitney he smokes her as well, he aint no macho again.

I would have put money on Rachel against a healthy QR last year in the Haskell & Preakness. The Woodward would have been interesting. RA could have possibly worn out QR on the lead like she did all the other horses in the race. actually I think if QR was in the Woodward last year they would have burnt each other out.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

quality road is a colt, a filly can never be in the same class as a great colt IMO. They might be able to beat them once in a while but you get a fast colt its silly to compare them.

Make no mistake, if QR faces the RA of last year in the whitney he smokes her as well, he aint no macho again.

If Quality Road and Rachel "All options are open" Alexandra were in last year's Traver's and JCGC, and yes QR was we know that, they both would have finished behind Summer Bird, and yet both would still be regarded higher than Zenyatta on Derbytrail.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

and Zenyatta is going to ship twice, what is your point?

Frankly if I owned the horse she would never race in california but the complete double standard being applied here is not the logical argument.

What do you mean by ship twice? She's going to race twice in the East, or do you mean the one round trip?

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

What do you mean by ship twice? She's going to race twice in the East, or do you mean the one round trip?

she raced at oaklawn-1 ship

she will race at churchill - 2nd ship

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

she raced at oaklawn-1 ship

she will race at churchill - 2nd ship

I see.

Well, not really, but I know what you are saying.