NFL Draft...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

You listed 44 players. Out of 600+ 4th/5th rounders in the last 10 years. I guess my 25-30% estimate was generous. And yeah, Holmes totally = Dexter Jackson. Should I write 1,200-yard receiver in the prime of his career? Would that make you bristle less?

Yeah 44 players who are probowl or prominent players, I'm sure there were a lot more starters. That is basically a full team. 4th and 5th round picks arent toss aways.

Holmes is a 1 time 1200 yard guy who is getting a signifigant downgrade at QB. Being MVP of the Super Bowl because he made 1 catch hardly qualifies him for All Star status. That being said if he wasnt an off the field risk they probably would have had to give up a 3rd rounder

Of course he aint no Brandon Marshall...

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

You really think San Diego has the worst run blocking line in the league? I think LT had a lot to do with the lack of production in the running game.

TJ is about to go over 10k yards this year and has averaged 4 ypg for a career- a career that started with one of the worst teams in the league. I think TJ is more than just a product of the line although I do agree that the Jets line certainly didnt hurt.

Football Outsiders had San Diego at the bottom of the league in numerous run blocking categories. And TJ's career numbers are irrelevant here. The point is last season, he was almost entirely a product of his blockers. If his blocks broke down, he did nothing.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Yeah 44 players who are probowl or prominent players, I'm sure there were a lot more starters. That is basically a full team. 4th and 5th round picks arent toss aways.

Holmes is a 1 time 1200 yard guy who is getting a signifigant downgrade at QB. Being MVP of the Super Bowl because he made 1 catch hardly qualifies him for All Star status. That being said if he wasnt an off the field risk they probably would have had to give up a 3rd rounder

Of course he aint no Brandon Marshall...

That's great. It's still about relative value and likelihood of success. The odds of a guy the Steelers pick at the end of the 5th round being as valuable as Holmes are extremely slim, regardless of your list of 44 productive 4th/5th rounders in 10 years. And yeah, great job with Marshall. The Jets' WR corps still blows the Dolphins' out of the goddamn water.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Football Outsiders had San Diego at the bottom of the league in numerous run blocking categories. And TJ's career numbers are irrelevant here. The point is last season, he was almost entirely a product of his blockers. If his blocks broke down, he did nothing.



That's great. It's still about relative value and likelihood of success. The odds of a guy the Steelers pick at the end of the 5th round being as valuable as Holmes are extremely slim, regardless of your list of 44 productive 4th/5th rounders in 10 years. And yeah, great job with Marshall. The Jets' WR corps still blows the Dolphins' out of the goddamn water.

No one was saying that the jets didnt get a good deal in only giving up a 5th rounder for Holmes. But as Dala pointed out this is a great deal for this year, you gotta ante up next year. We'll see how great this turns out...

Please give me a break with the jets WR corp. Droppy and the wife beater arent anything to brag about especially if Sanchez keeps throwing the ball to the other team so much. Miami doesnt have Rice/taylor but at least we have a true #1 WR.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

No one was saying that the jets didnt get a good deal in only giving up a 5th rounder for Holmes. But as Dala pointed out this is a great deal for this year, you gotta ante up next year. We'll see how great this turns out...

Please give me a break with the jets WR corp. Droppy and the wife beater arent anything to brag about especially if Sanchez keeps throwing the ball to the other team so much. Miami doesnt have Rice/taylor but at least we have a true #1 WR.

Wifebeater? Who's that? We have three guys age 26-28 on very little guaranteed money who all are capable of 1,000-yard seasons. You have one douchebag #1 WR tying up your cap who'll get shut down at least twice a year. Enjoy. And remind of me where Sanchez and Henne were in January. You'd better hope Sanchez throws 20+ interceptions again, it's your only prayer of finishing within shouting distance of us.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Wifebeater? Who's that? We have three guys age 26-28 on very little guaranteed money who all are capable of 1,000-yard seasons. You have one douchebag #1 WR tying up your cap who'll get shut down at least twice a year. Enjoy. And remind of me where Sanchez and Henne were in January. You'd better hope Sanchez throws 20+ interceptions again, it's your only prayer of finishing within shouting distance of us.

Yeah the Jets vaunted WR corp. LOL. Droppy has had 1 good season in 5. Holmes 1 good season in 5. Cotchery is underrated but hardly bigtime.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Yeah the Jets vaunted WR corp. LOL. Droppy has had 1 good season in 5. Holmes 1 good season in 5. Cotchery is underrated but hardly bigtime.

Not everyone can have superstars like Devon Bess giving defensive backs nightmares. I can't wait to hear about the good seasons your #2-#5 guys have had. I can't even name those UFL rejects. You're ****ed.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Not everyone can have superstars like Devon Bess giving defensive backs nightmares. I can't wait to hear about the good seasons your #2-#5 guys have had. I can't even name those UFL rejects. You're ****ed.

Funny we were able to beat that green juggernaut 2 times with those UFL guys and the modern version of Skeets.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Yeah 44 players who are probowl or prominent players, I'm sure there were a lot more starters. That is basically a full team. 4th and 5th round picks arent toss aways.

Holmes is a 1 time 1200 yard guy who is getting a signifigant downgrade at QB. Being MVP of the Super Bowl because he made 1 catch hardly qualifies him for All Star status. That being said if he wasnt an off the field risk they probably would have had to give up a 3rd rounder

Of course he aint no Brandon Marshall...

Who is? That guy is T.O 2.0

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Who is? That guy is T.O 2.0

Hardly. He is 100 catches in the bank.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Hardly. He is 100 catches in the bank.

i meant it as a compliment. To me, T.O was a physical game changing wide receiver that could kill you short or long.

To me, Marshall is one of the two best receivers in the game and I wouldn't argue much with anyone saying that he is the best at this point.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

i meant it as a compliment. To me, T.O was a physical game changing wide receiver that could kill you short or long.

To me, Marshall is one of the two best receivers in the game and I wouldn't argue much with anyone saying that he is the best at this point.

It is hard to say anyone is better than Andre Johnson though Marshall and Fitzgerald are in the same league. No doubt that Marshall has some TO-like moments though.

[Cannon Shell]

Jets 2010 Season

Baltimore L 13-23 (sanchez throws 2 picks returned for TD's, ray lewis knocks LT out cold in 2nd quarter)

NE L 17-33 (Sanchez cant handle NE again)

@Mia L 10-34 (mismatch)

@ Buffalo L 14-17 (Bills rise up for philski, their only win of the year)

Minn L 20-31 (Farve cuts em up)

@ Denver W 27-20 (Tebow fumbles game away after Orton and Quinn injured)

GB L 7-42 (Rex fires OC after game)

@ Det W 13-10 (Lions still suck though they suck less than usual)

@ Clev W 34-14 (misguided Jet fans think they have turned the corner)

Houston W 21-20 (last second FG after Hou turnover wins it)

Cincy L 17-27 (Ochocinco's revenge, beats Cromartie for 3 TD's after Reavis is hurt again)

NE L 10-28 (reavis out, Sanchez pulled in 3rd quarter, Brady throws 4 TD's)

Miami L 23-30 (Jets score 2 TD's on special teams in garbage time to make the final score look closer than it is. marshall 16 catches, 2 TD catches, 1 run in wildcat, Jason taylor openly weeps on sideline)

Pitt L 16-31 (Holmes is shutdown, 1 catch for 9 yards)

Chicago W 40-13 (Chicago fans riot afterwards, Julius peppers goes Awol and misses game, Reavis hurt again)

Buffalo W 7-6 (voted 2nd worst game of the 2000's only better than Bills/Clev game from 2009, Sanchez QB rating for yr 71)

6-10 Rex fired