Question re: Sky Mesa

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Betsy

Probably so. Someone is just trying to make the argument that Sky Diva ran well in the Demoiselle a couple of years ago because she finished 3rd. Ugh - she was awful that day.

So one horse was "awful" in your opinion in one race after that same horse had already wne a grade 1 race and finished third in the Breeders Cup. This is the basis of your argument that Sky Mesa 'is no great shakes' as a stallion?

[richard]

Does he sire sound offspring ?

[Linny]

Considering his ability at two and his VERY good pedigree and female family, it's fair to say that more was expected but Chuck is right. His babies have sold pretty well and while he hasn't has a "big" horse he's done OK. The ones that can run a little seem to be able to get you to stakes.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by Linny

Considering his ability at two and his VERY good pedigree and female family, it's fair to say that more was expected but Chuck is right. His babies have sold pretty well and while he hasn't has a "big" horse he's done OK. The ones that can run a little seem to be able to get you to stakes.

I think he must own a stableful of Sky Mesas because he took my question way too personally. Sky Mesa has not sired a lot of top class horses. If you want a sprinter, are you breeding to him? No. If you want a classic horse, are you breeding to him? No. If you want a grass horse, are you breeding to him? No. He's ok, but the whole point is that on TBC, they made him out to be some great success story. Tapit is already a much better sire than Sky Mesa.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Betsy

I think he must own a stableful of Sky Mesas because he took my question way too personally. Sky Mesa has not sired a lot of top class horses. If you want a sprinter, are you breeding to him? No. If you want a classic horse, are you breeding to him? No. If you want a grass horse, are you breeding to him? No. He's ok, but the whole point is that on TBC, they made him out to be some great success story. Tapit is already a much better sire than Sky Mesa.

There are some sharp people that post in the Breeding/sales section of TBC.

And for the record I dont nor have I owned a single Sky Mesa (regretfully)

What does Tapit's success have to do with Sky Mesa's?

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There are some sharp people that post in the Breeding/sales section of TBC.

And for the record I dont nor have I owned a single Sky Mesa (regretfully)

What does Tapit's success have to do with Sky Mesa's?

Nothing - I just threw it out there.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So one horse was "awful" in your opinion in one race after that same horse had already wne a grade 1 race and finished third in the Breeders Cup. This is the basis of your argument that Sky Mesa 'is no great shakes' as a stallion?

That's not what I said at all, but if you want to think that was my point, go right ahead.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Sky Mesa was doing HORRIBLE with his first crop of 2yo's in Feb of their 3yo season.

It was at the time of the Fasig Tipton Calder 2yo sale ... and the craziest thing happened. The under-tack show was like a freaking showcase of Sky Mesa's like nothing you've ever seen before.

I had something like 5 different Sky Mesa offspring in the top 20 most impressive breezes. I was telling people that if you had to approach the sale as a buyer ... without a doubt the best thing to do would be to find out who the lowest regarded Sky Mesa offspring was of those 5 on looks - and buy him.

They might pay up for the best looking Sky Mesa of the five - they might even pay up for the 2nd best looking Sky Mesa - but they ain't paying up for the one who's 5th of 5 on looks and pedigree because he was doing so dismally at stud.

As it turned out ... the 5th cheapest of that sensational band of Sky Mesa offspring was none other than Ky Derby pace setter Join in the Dance.

He RNA'd for just 90K despite showing super raw speed in his preview.

I believe Grade 1 winner Sky Diva was 4th at 250K. I know that Mesa Sunrise sold for 800K ... he was the most expensive of the Sky Mesa's at that sale. His biggest achievement is nothing more than winning a Saratoga alw race in 1:15 flat for 6.5fs. One of the ones that sold for like 300K went to Japan and I believe is a stakes winner over there.

[Danzig]

note to self:

when someone wants to know if they're wrong, don't answer!

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Chances are ... if she posts it .. it's probably wrong.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Chances are ... if she posts it .. it's probably wrong.

yeah, i probably would be.

[keithting]

I tell ya - Satans Quick Chick is one Sky Mesa filly that is a nice one. Let's see what she does tomorrow at Tampa.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by Danzig

note to self:

when someone wants to know if they're wrong, don't answer!

Um, no. I asked a question and Cannon Shell replied in a unnecessarily sarcastic manner. I don't care, but why would anyone want to ask a question on a message board if they are going to get their head bitten off?

I take it you think Sky Mesa is a good sire. Let me ask you - how many of those horses on that list he provided are really top class horses? Very few, if any.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Betsy

Um, no. I asked a question and Cannon Shell replied in a unnecessarily sarcastic manner. I don't care, but why would anyone want to ask a question on a message board if they are going to get their head bitten off?

I take it you think Sky Mesa is a good sire. Let me ask you - how many of those horses on that list he provided are really top class horses? Very few, if any.

lol

seriously, i was only poking fun at you and cannon...i think it's too soon to know what he'll turn out to be, considering. hell, not long ago people thought mineshaft was a bust-and now he's got several hot horses.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by Danzig

lol

seriously, i was only poking fun at you and cannon...i think it's too soon to know what he'll turn out to be, considering. hell, not long ago people thought mineshaft was a bust-and now he's got several hot horses.

I think if Cannon hadn't responded like he did, I would have been more open to what he was saying. I never said Sky Mesa sucked - I just said I didn't think he was all that great. He also completely missed my point about Sky Diva - and then made it sound like I was ignorant.

I will say that maybe I'm holding the expectations I had for him against him. Just because he's not a leading sire doesn't mean he's not had success. If I look at it from the perspective that most sires don't even have the succeess he's had, then yes - he's been a fine sire. Are his oldest horses 5 ? I think so.... I suppose his best foals should be upcoming as they are the offspring of mares that were bred to him after his super 2nd year

Mineshaft is a weird story. His oldest foals are only 5, but he really has been mediocre. I hope that this year indicates a turn around for him because AP Indy isn't going to last forever; with his fertility problems, he may be pensioned sooner than we think. As far as I'm concerned, the more sires to carry on the Seattle Slew line, the better. I'm interested to see if they'll let Discreetly Mine rate in the LA Derby. I suspect not because Castellano made a point to say he's a speedy horse.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Betsy

Um, no. I asked a question and Cannon Shell replied in a unnecessarily sarcastic manner. I don't care, but why would anyone want to ask a question on a message board if they are going to get their head bitten off?

I take it you think Sky Mesa is a good sire. Let me ask you - how many of those horses on that list he provided are really top class horses? Very few, if any.

Again how did I bite your head off? There were 60 lines of response and one small sarcastic remark at the end. Sorry for providing data that backed up my opinion.

[Round Pen]

Originally Posted by Danzig

note to self:

when someone wants to know if they're wrong, don't answer!

I thought about that but instead went for the one word answer "Yes"

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Sky Mesa was doing HORRIBLE with his first crop of 2yo's in Feb of their 3yo season.

It was at the time of the Fasig Tipton Calder 2yo sale ... and the craziest thing happened. The under-tack show was like a freaking showcase of Sky Mesa's like nothing you've ever seen before.

I had something like 5 different Sky Mesa offspring in the top 20 most impressive breezes. I was telling people that if you had to approach the sale as a buyer ... without a doubt the best thing to do would be to find out who the lowest regarded Sky Mesa offspring was of those 5 on looks - and buy him.

They might pay up for the best looking Sky Mesa of the five - they might even pay up for the 2nd best looking Sky Mesa - but they ain't paying up for the one who's 5th of 5 on looks and pedigree because he was doing so dismally at stud.

As it turned out ... the 5th cheapest of that sensational band of Sky Mesa offspring was none other than Ky Derby pace setter Join in the Dance.

He RNA'd for just 90K despite showing super raw speed in his preview.

I believe Grade 1 winner Sky Diva was 4th at 250K. I know that Mesa Sunrise sold for 800K ... he was the most expensive of the Sky Mesa's at that sale. His biggest achievement is nothing more than winning a Saratoga alw race in 1:15 flat for 6.5fs. One of the ones that sold for like 300K went to Japan and I believe is a stakes winner over there.

Mesa Sunrise is fast, but hes got no heart.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Mesa Sunrise is fast, but hes got no heart.

That's what the haters say about Randy Moss.

But yeah - he had to have a big edge on the other SM offspring on looks - because he's the one of the bunch they all paid up for...and it helped some pretty nice ones at that sale fall through the cracks price wise.

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...9&postcount=24

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Betsy

That's not what I said at all, but if you want to think that was my point, go right ahead.

You said it didn't you?