Oak Tree renames the Lady's Secret the Zenyatta

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by copying

Yeah, I suppose you know better than the jockey that's been on her all her life.

So why did they ship her out of California to run on dirt all of one time? To cut down on travel costs? Give me an effing break. It's completely hollow hyperbole and if you see it as anything else I've got a bridge to sell you.

[copying]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

So why did they ship her out of California to run on dirt all of one time? To cut down on travel costs? Give me an effing break. It's completely hollow hyperbole and if you see it as anything else I've got a bridge to sell you.

She ran her 2nd best race on the dirt. At least on the synthetics, they have a chance of sneaking away from her if she gets a bad trip. On the dirt, her competitors have no chance. She's already shown that!

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by copying

She ran her 2nd best race on the dirt. At least on the synthetics, they have a chance of sneaking away from her if she gets a bad trip. On the dirt, her competitors have no chance. She's already shown that!

Actually you have that backwards. She would have had a very, very difficult time winning a race like the Clement Hirsch at Del Mar if it had been run on dirt.

I also don't believe for a second that she would have been better on dirt.

NT

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by copying

She ran her 2nd best race on the dirt. At least on the synthetics, they have a chance of sneaking away from her if she gets a bad trip. On the dirt, her competitors have no chance. She's already shown that!

I.. I honestly don't know how to respond to this. This is worse than what Smith said.

[chucklestheclown]

I.. I honestly don't know how to respond to this. This is worse than what Smith said.

[copying]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Actually you have that backwards. She would have had a very, very difficult time winning a race like the Clement Hirsch at Del Mar if it had been run on dirt.

I also don't believe for a second that she would have been better on dirt.

NT

Zenyatta's winning margin last 9 synthetics races: 1 1/4, hd, 2 1/2, 1 3/4, 1 1/2, 3 1/2, 1, 1/2.

Her lone dirt race: 4 1/2 lengths - then another 3 1/2 back to Ginger Punch.

I only have her last 10 races.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by copying

Zenyatta's winning margin last 9 synthetics races: 1 1/4, hd, 2 1/2, 1 3/4, 1 1/2, 3 1/2, 1, 1/2.

Her lone dirt race: 4 1/2 lengths - then another 3 1/2 back to Ginger Punch.

I only have her last 10 races.

just stop, this is getting embarrassing.

[copying]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

just stop, this is getting embarrassing.

You can lead a horse to water...

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by copying

You can lead a horse to water...

I don't know why I'm bothering responding to you seriously considering your ridiculous bias on the HOY subject, but you honestly think winning margin has anything to do with the tea in China when we're discussing two different surfaces? Then again, for some reason you think it's easier for a horse to 'get away' on synthetics than on dirt, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

[copying]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I don't know why I'm bothering responding to you seriously considering your ridiculous bias on the HOY subject, but you honestly think winning margin has anything to do with the tea in China when we're discussing two different surfaces? Then again, for some reason you think it's easier for a horse to 'get away' on synthetics than on dirt, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

So then, tell me:

Why do you think you know better than Z's jockey and trainer (who also is on record as saying Z is better on dirt) that she is not better on dirt?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by copying

So then, tell me:

Why do you think you know better than Z's jockey and trainer (who also is on record as saying Z is better on dirt) that she is not better on dirt?

Talk is cheap. They could've proved their assertion, and again and again they refused to do so. It's just hollow lobbying for HOY and an attempt to quickly defer questions about her dirt ability. If you have half a brain you can see this. Unfortunately, your bizarre pro-Zenyatta/anti-RA bias doesn't allow you to admit it. Which is why I said this is getting embarrassing.

[copying]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Talk is cheap. They could've proved their assertion, and again and again they refused to do so. It's just hollow lobbying for HOY and an attempt to quickly defer questions about her dirt ability. If you have half a brain you can see this. Unfortunately, your bizarre pro-Zenyatta/anti-RA bias doesn't allow you to admit it. Which is why I said this is getting embarrassing.

Z has won on both dirt and synthetics -- that is more than RA can say.

[ateamstupid]

I'm done, this is a dead end, someone else can pick it up if they're feeling masochistic.

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by copying

Z has won on both dirt and synthetics -- that is more than RA can say.

Technically RA has won on synthetics....I don't have the PPs in front of me, but I'm almost certain she has one

[TouchOfGrey]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

Technically RA has won on synthetics....I don't have the PPs in front of me, but I'm almost certain she has one

She won at Keeneland last year.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by copying

Z has won on both dirt and synthetics -- that is more than RA can say.

rachel won at keeneland at two. so i guess now we should trumpet about that rachel was actually better on synthetics, since she won on it once last year-that having as much to do with any HOY discussion as zenyatta's one race on dirt a year ago.

quick, someone get rachels synthetic margin of victory-altho i doubt it's as big a margin as her oaks, haskell, fantasy, etc, etc.

[Fulla Sheets]

she won by 3 lengths at Keenland

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Fulla Sheets

she won by 3 lengths at Keenland

Clearly it was a better race than her Woodward or Preakness.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Talk is cheap.

Horse wins like 12 grade 1 or 2's, two breeders cups including the Classic.......and yet their talk is cheap.

I think she danced enough dances.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Horse wins like 12 grade 1 or 2's, two breeders cups including the Classic.......and yet their talk is cheap.

I think she danced enough dances.

Try to follow. When you refuse to try your horse on dirt or outside of California more than once in 14 starts, then crow after she's retired about how she's an even better horse on dirt, yes, talk is cheap.