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11-11-2009, 12:10 PM
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11-11-2009, 12:38 PM
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Like Sightseek, I've seen a lot of articles using superlatives to describe Zenyatta's challengers:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/08/sp...enyatta&st=cse ("As she was awaiting the start of the Breeders’ Cup Classic, against the best male horses in the world at a distance she had never run, did she suddenly not want to race?") http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/mo...ition_in_.html ("So it was Zenyatta against the boys Saturday, a terrific bunch, a 13-horse field, 10 Grade I winners (that means they've had at least one good day).") http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009...n-breeders-cup ("The end is the only place to start when considering the Breeders' Cup card at Santa Anita today. The Classic, with a purse of $5m, is, as the Americans put it, the "deepest" for years, in terms of the sheer number of high-class horses declared to run in the race.") I saw a few deeper, deepest, strongest ones, too, but I can't find them easily. Ah, the media. It's not enough that she was the first female to win it, and the first horse to win two different Breeders Cup races, and won Saturday after a pretty sucky start, you have to plump up the field's credentials, too? 
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11-11-2009, 12:40 PM
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11-11-2009, 01:53 PM
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Summer Bird was 2nd ... he's obviously a better dirt horse. Munning was 3rd ... Very nice horse who was in sharp form. Papa Clem was 4th .. he won the Arkansas Derby over Old Fashioned and Summer Bird. Ran 4th in the Ky Derby.
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11-11-2009, 02:10 PM
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They can run on dirt, 10 furlongs, and I will take the euro over munnings.
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11-11-2009, 02:14 PM
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I think Papa Clem could have beat Einstein the way he ran on Saturday.
Charlie Weiss might have been able to outrun him.
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11-11-2009, 01:46 PM
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When you read a lot of that silly stuff you get from the racing press ... it's pretty easy to see why guys like Andy Beyer and Steve Crist are as great as they are. With those two .. you're talking about guys who are both excellent writers and have a great understanding of the sport in terms of both racing and gambling. Those two names are company I never have to worry about keeping ... because I couldn't pass a 10th grade English class and only can get hired as a small fry racing writer because of my ability in other areas. It's the exact opposite with a lot of the guys you see writing on racing ... they're very good writers in a lot of cases ... but they don't really understand racing. Some of them out and out have no idea what they're talking about. You do also have some that are very good writers/handicappers that have a good understanding of racing .. but have a less than stellar understanding of the betting aspect.
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11-11-2009, 06:10 PM
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(I also think it's one of the big reasons horse racing has trouble with the casual fans- nobody told them there would be math.  )
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11-11-2009, 04:44 PM
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11-11-2009, 04:48 PM
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Am I the only one who saw the BC classic and thought that Denman was out of his freaking mind saying what he did?
Her race certainly wasn't a bad one, but man, he went wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy overboard. I have seen much better performances than that one. Even this year I have!
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11-11-2009, 05:03 PM
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Well then perhaps a corneal transplant is recommended .. Please ----why haven't you described all the races that trump this one--big lengths, fast, Rachel, Mine That Bird--the tenth at Canterbury ???!!! A fascinating race that some refuse to see ... Watching races for 50 years, and it is way up there ... " not a bad one"--don't make me laugh ... Never have I seen such a good horse continually not believed in .. She runs virtually the same race regardless of pace or opposition seemingly by design ... And does it easily .... She is an original that must do numbers on you numbers guys, and less popular with bettors than horse people--wonder why ??? So far you haven't beat her, but won't join either... And no I am not president of the pretty pony club--made my first bet--winning--at age 10 ...
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11-11-2009, 05:11 PM
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Here's her last 10 races. * 5/2 favorite * 2/5 favorite * 1/5 favorite * 1/5 favorite * 1/5 favorite * 1/2 favorite * 3/5 favorite * 3/5 favorite * 1/5 favorite * 1/5 favorite I'd also say she had dominant numbers coming into 9 of those 10 races.
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11-11-2009, 05:19 PM
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Sorry , I should have said GAMBLERS--there is a difference ... Of course she was favored since Pearl Harbor ... Bad choice of words on my part ... Gamblers--you know the ones that tried to beat her also since Pearl Harbor and didn't ...
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11-11-2009, 05:25 PM
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She's faced field after field where she should have been 1/20 on paper all year long. The only female horse of any ability that she has beat this year (Life Is Sweet) shares the exact same running style as her. That means that if the pace is against Zenyatta - it's also against Life Is Sweet. One won't get a tactical edge on the other and the best will always win. Absolutely no one with a clue could have bet against her at level weight in her prep either. She's rabidly loved by people who like 1/5 shots and by pretty horsey people.
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11-11-2009, 05:21 PM
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Have you signed up with AARP yet? Quote:
If you are asking me to name a race that was more impressive than this Classic, how about the Preakness from earlier this year? Oh yeah, I can't use that one since you already mocked that possibility above. How about Arazi, or Inside Information? Or heck, even Phone Chatter winning the BC on busted up knees? Listen man, I never said her race wasn't at all impressive. What I did say was that the track announcer grossly overreacted. Quote:
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11-11-2009, 05:39 PM
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No need for granny glasses, gingko biloba or AARP .. Not bad is sort of an under reaction as you continue to qualify your being less than impressed with the race by saying you have seen many better this year--that is without naming them originally ... Now you have ... Speaking of sight, vision and reading comprehension--where did I quantify my remark " right up there " as to the the top five or twenty or any number qualifying exactly what NUMBER I WOULD ASSIGN TO ' RIGHT UP THERE ' ????in reference to the good races I have seen in 50 years ??? NOWHERE except in your head ... Exactly--reading comprehension .. The whole enchilada --point missed, entirely ... Do you get it now ??? Uber ugh ...
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11-11-2009, 05:51 PM
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Why else say it's way up there in great races of the last 50 years? Would you really be saying that if it was the 175th best race you've ever seen? Or are you going to try to worm your way out of what you said?
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11-11-2009, 05:46 PM
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Funny thing Prudery. I'm neither a numbers guy or a bettor.
Sorta like you not having a clue I guess.
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11-11-2009, 05:46 PM
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YAY!!!!
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