Lava Man back in training?

Cannon Shell · #1 09-26-2009, 02:05 PM

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Why's the risk much greater now of something very bad happening than it was earlier on in his career when all kinds of stuff on paper suggested that this horse had giant issues?

After Lava Man was vanned off in the Pacific Classic ... he went to Belmont and got beat 45+ lengths in the JCGC... after that he went to Japan and got beat 17+ on dirt.

He ran again 8 weeks after that Japan loss.

I certainly don't think anyone has to have experience with horses to know that this horse looks more likely than your average to break down.

He is going to be 9 years old. He was retired because of xrays that showed "changes". Those ankles may look good now but they are still almost 9 year old legs with a lot of wear on them.

King Glorious · #2 09-26-2009, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He is going to be 9 years old. He was retired because of xrays that showed "changes". Those ankles may look good now but they are still almost 9 year old legs with a lot of wear on them.

Age isn't the relevant factor here. Wear and tear is not always synonomous with age. A guy that comes into the NBA straight out of high school and goes to a team that plays in the playoffs competing for titles on a yearly basis, after 10 years he may have played 100 extra games. That's more than a full season's worth. So he might be 28 but have over 11 years worth of wear and tear on his body. Another guy that comes out after four years of college and is not playing deep into the playoffs each year might be 28 and only have six years worth of wear and tear. Smarty Jones had bad ankles at three. Sightseek had bad ones at five. Age is not the relevant factor here. He could be better physically at nine than other horses are at two or three.

Cannon Shell · #3 09-26-2009, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Age isn't the relevant factor here. Wear and tear is not always synonomous with age. A guy that comes into the NBA straight out of high school and goes to a team that plays in the playoffs competing for titles on a yearly basis, after 10 years he may have played 100 extra games. That's more than a full season's worth. So he might be 28 but have over 11 years worth of wear and tear on his body. Another guy that comes out after four years of college and is not playing deep into the playoffs each year might be 28 and only have six years worth of wear and tear. Smarty Jones had bad ankles at three. Sightseek had bad ones at five. Age is not the relevant factor here. He could be better physically at nine than other horses are at two or three.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

King Glorious · #4 09-26-2009, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Of course not cause only those in the business do.

Cannon Shell · #5 09-26-2009, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Of course not cause only those in the business do.

Well you obviously dont. Only an idiot or someone who is severely misinformed would say that age has nothing to do with the physical condition of a horse. And I would be glad to spar with you over knowledge of horses anytime you would like. You see because I have 25 years experience dealing with horses and you have google.

King Glorious · #6 09-26-2009, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Well you obviously dont. Only an idiot or someone who is severely misinformed would say that age has nothing to do with the physical condition of a horse. And I would be glad to spar with you over knowledge of horses anytime you would like. You see because I have 25 years experience dealing with horses and you have google.

I don't believe that I said that age has nothing to do with physical condition. What I said was that not all horses that are the same age have the same amount of wear and tear on their bodies. You can't just throw out a blanket statement that he's nine so therefore he's got age specific issues or injuries. Each horse, just like each athlete, is an individual.

Cannon Shell · #7 09-26-2009, 05:47 PM

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I don't believe that I said that age has nothing to do with physical condition. What I said was that not all horses that are the same age have the same amount of wear and tear on their bodies. You can't just throw out a blanket statement that he's nine so therefore he's got age specific issues or injuries. Each horse, just like each athlete, is an individual.

ok fine. Then the Lava Man would be similar to Sandy Koufax in human terms. There are lots of things that could be done to Koufax that could have kept him pitching but he is now in his 70's so they arent trying to bring him back anymore. And he may even be a gelding too.

freddymo · #8 09-26-2009, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Well you obviously dont. Only an idiot or someone who is severely misinformed would say that age has nothing to do with the physical condition of a horse. And I would be glad to spar with you over knowledge of horses anytime you would like. You see because I have 25 years experience dealing with horses and you have google.

I giggled from the google comment.