As expected Crist is the man about the girl

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by freddymo

The Woodward, a far better indicator of genuine quality than races on experimental surfaces where championship form is highly suspect, was worth only $500,000 until Jackson wrangled a 50 percent increase out of Saratoga management.

Crist hasn't made me cringe this bad since "pick6 for beginners"

Surely he isn't comparing the ****ing woodturd to a race on anything from the moon on down(much less pro-ride) vs Sea the Stars, Gio Ponti, Zenyatta, Rail Trip, GenericEuroStar2, Summer Bird, etc....

Genuine quality: "i do not think it means what you think it means"

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

Crist hasn't made me cringe this bad since "pick6 for beginners"

Surely he isn't comparing the ****ing woodturd to a race on anything from the moon on down(much less pro-ride) vs Sea the Stars, Gio Ponti, Zenyatta, Rail Trip, GenericEuroStar2, Summer Bird, etc....

Genuine quality: "i do not think it means what you think it means"

Bobby we realize you are a special talent but I think your post could use a bit of an explanation

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

Crist hasn't made me cringe this bad since "pick6 for beginners"

Surely he isn't comparing the ****ing woodturd to a race on anything from the moon on down(much less pro-ride) vs Sea the Stars, Gio Ponti, Zenyatta, Rail Trip, GenericEuroStar2, Summer Bird, etc....

Genuine quality: "i do not think it means what you think it means"

Please put down the bottle, take your mouth off the bong and explain.

[GBBob]

I could/may/hope to own a special horse like RA some day. All I know is if I ever owned her, she would be on the first flight to LA to run in run in the BC.
Win, lose or draw I would never put my personal agenda about surfaces against a great match up.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I could/may/hope to own a special horse like RA some day. All I know is if I ever owned her, she would be on the first flight to LA to run in run in the BC.
Win, lose or draw I would never put my personal agenda about surfaces against a great match up.

Stop being so contrary. You obviously are hater and just dont get it!

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Stop being so contrary. You obviously are hater and just dont get it!

I'll change my mind as soon as the precious NYRA allows me to run the BC on dirt..oh yeah...Rachel, Rachel, Rachel....lol..ship her ass

[Scav]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I'll change my mind as soon as the precious NYRA allows me to run the BC on dirt..oh yeah...Rachel, Rachel, Rachel....lol..ship her ass

They ship her out there and we probably will not have the greatest $10 seats of all time available.....

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I could/may/hope to own a special horse like RA some day. All I know is if I ever owned her, she would be on the first flight to LA to run in run in the BC.
Win, lose or draw I would never put my personal agenda about surfaces against a great match up.

exactly! If she is one for the ages (and i believe she is), take her to Santa Anita and let her win the BCC.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I could/may/hope to own a special horse like RA some day. All I know is if I ever owned her, she would be on the first flight to LA to run in run in the BC.
Win, lose or draw I would never put my personal agenda about surfaces against a great match up.

Bob I hope you get one and I hope Chuck does as well. Let's dream.. You have your 3 year old filly machine you just won the logical Preakness, Haskell, Woodward. But the other champion is a turf mare are you going to the Turf Classic? Would you race a dirt horse on turf? Isn't Pro Ride NOT dirt the same way that Turf isnt dirt?
It is not about loving dirt. I have zero issue with POLY actually I think it is fine for some tracks. I just demand that it be considered a separate surface. Why the BC peopel were foolish enough not to comprehend this is frustrating and the sole cause for confusion. I actually would rather watch RA on try turf. I wonder if she could be as special.

If Jackson wanted to get her ready for BC he would need to ship her to CA. after the Wodward then look for a spot to see if she handled the stuff. Tom and Chuck contention is she already handled the stuff...Against what type. I am sure she could win a 10 claiming on the turf does that mean she handles turf? You have a once in a generation horse shouldn't she go in the Beldame against Zenyatta. Shouldn't we all be pissed that the Moss's are denying Zenyatta an opportunity to prove her greatness. Zenyatta has earned the right to face RA. The Beldame would be an awesome spot for her and racing. Instead you want Jess to skip the Beldame, and start prepping for a surface switch or just sending her there work her once or twice and send her out. Chuck says who cares if she loses they all lose, which is 100% true but it seems silly and it is all because the BC and racing seems to think dirt and poly are interchangable.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Bob I hope you get one and I hope Chuck does as well. Let's dream.. You have you 3 year old filly machine you just won the logical Preakness, Haskell, Woodward. But the other champion is a turf mare are you going to the Turf Classic? Would you race a filly dirt horse on turf? Isn't Pro Ride NOT dirt the same way that Turf isnt dirt?

I would love to try RA on the turf too..why not Fred? If you have nothing to prove and it doesn't have any potential risk physically..go crazy with her. Obviously the 3 yr old and older dirt division horses are limited, so why not look outside the box for new challenges? If she runs 5th in the Arlington Million next year it won't hurt her breeding value at all.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I would love to try RA on the turf too..why not Fred? If you have nothing to prove and it doesn't have any potential risk physically..go crazy with her. Obviously the 3 yr old and older dirt division horses are limited, so why not look outside the box for new challenges? If she runs 5th in the Arlington Million next year it won't hurt her breeding value at all.

Jess might try turf he did with Curlin. Curlin wasn't a turf horse. Rachel may or may not be. I just think this whole mess is caused by the BC people not having a third surface classic.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I would love to try RA on the turf too..why not Fred? If you have nothing to prove and it doesn't have any potential risk physically..go crazy with her. Obviously the 3 yr old and older dirt division horses are limited, so why not look outside the box for new challenges? If she runs 5th in the Arlington Million next year it won't hurt her breeding value at all.

People are very unforgiving of losses. Look at how many people (stupidly) point out that she barely held on in the Preakness. Jackson isn't caring about the breeding value - floundering on a surface because you said "why the hell not" isn't going to earn you any extra points.

Look through the list of the Top 100 of all time - how many of those horses were specific to ONE surface. Are any of us thinking any less of them because of it? I sure hope the hell not.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

People are very unforgiving of losses. Look at how many people (stupidly) point out that she barely held on in the Preakness. Jackson isn't caring about the breeding value - floundering on a surface because you said "why the hell not" isn't going to earn you any extra points.

Look through the list of the Top 100 of all time - how many of those horses were specific to ONE surface. Are any of us thinking any less of them because of it? I sure hope the hell not.

I could care less about being on a Top 100 list. That's not the point..it's a personal agenda he has about the surface..nothing more, nothing less

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

People are very unforgiving of losses.

Can this argument also be made for Zenyatta? It seems like there is a double standard here when she plays it safe, and by no means am I defending her conservative campaign up until the BC.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

People are very unforgiving of losses. Look at how many people (stupidly) point out that she barely held on in the Preakness. Jackson isn't caring about the breeding value - floundering on a surface because you said "why the hell not" isn't going to earn you any extra points.

Look through the list of the Top 100 of all time - how many of those horses were specific to ONE surface. Are any of us thinking any less of them because of it? I sure hope the hell not.

This isnt about surface though. This is about winning the biggest races and beating the best opponents. Why wouldn't you want to see her doing this in the championship? I won't think any less of her if she loses and she has some massive built in excuses anyway for those that would.

Do you think that maybe she could actually win?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

People are very unforgiving of losses. Look at how many people (stupidly) point out that she barely held on in the Preakness. Jackson isn't caring about the breeding value - floundering on a surface because you said "why the hell not" isn't going to earn you any extra points.

Look through the list of the Top 100 of all time - how many of those horses were specific to ONE surface. Are any of us thinking any less of them because of it? I sure hope the hell not.

Who cares what "people" say? She is a mare, she has no real value anyway because he would never sell her.

Looking through the top 100 makes you realize that most werent around when there were multiple surfaces. Hell turf racing in this country didnt become widespread till the 50's. And on that list are some who not only ran on two surfaces but excelled. Like Secretariat, Round Table, John Henry, Dr. Fager are 4 off the top of my head. Asking her to compete on poly is not such a stretch.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Bob I hope you get one and I hope Chuck does as well. Let's dream.. You have you 3 year old filly machine you just won the logical Preakness, Haskell, Woodward. But the other champion is a turf mare are you going to the Turf Classic? Would you race a filly dirt horse on turf? Isn't Pro Ride NOT dirt the same way that Turf isnt dirt?

Why wouldnt you? What do you have to lose?

[CSC]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Why wouldnt you? What do you have to lose?

Exactly, it was brought yesterday that she won on Poly as to equal Zenyatta's record on both surfaces, I was then somewhat confusingly blasted for making some Cigar reference. Point is if it does equal Zenyatta's versatility on both surfaces, suggesting she can handle Pro-ride, why the sudden reluctance now? Which statement is more contradictory, she won at Keenland now and she cannot win at SA? I'm confused.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Why wouldnt you? What do you have to lose?

There is nothing to lose. Jess is pissed that the BC doesn't have dirt races this year. We have 3 surfaces and we used to have 2. The BC people decided that the 3rd surface was equal to dirt. It isn't. Jess thinks that sucks and so do I.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by freddymo

There is nothing to lose. Jess is pissed that the BC doesn't have dirt races this year. We have 3 surfaces and we used to have 2. The BC people decided that the 3rd surface was equal to dirt. It isn't. Jess thinks that sucks and so do I.

Totally seperate note, but we have had more issues with grass horses trying to run on poly than with horses going from dirt to poly.