8/30 (SAR): Personal Ensign (G1)

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

What is with you and your speed figure obsession?

Of course not.

what are you using as a gauge, her run 10 starts ago at Oaklawn?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Yes ... obviously.

Based on synthetic form, there is no conclusive proof that Zenyatta is better now than she was at that time.

In fact, I took a lot of flack for saying Zenyatta was better than Nashoba's Key at the time.

Her dirt race at Oaklawn also wasn't as good as a lot of people seem to think.

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Yes ... obviously.

Based on synthetic form, there is no conclusive proof that Zenyatta is better now than she was at that time.

In fact, I took a lot of flack for saying Zenyatta was better than Nashoba's Key at the time.

Her dirt race at Oaklawn also wasn't as good as a lot of people seem to think.

so where would you rank her in terms of the filly horses, you know based on talent?

[CSC]

In my opinion Careless Jewell is a very exciting prospect and most likely the next best filly in the game, however I wouldn't throw her to the wolves of Zenyatta and RA just yet, she's only had 2 races on dirt and is still relatively early in her progression. Get her battle ready with a few more races and then take on the big girls, she won't disgrace herself.

[tector]

Originally Posted by CSC

In my opinion Careless Jewell is a very exciting prospect and most likely the next best filly in the game, however I wouldn't throw her to the wolves of Zenyatta and RA just yet, she's only had 2 races on dirt and is still relatively early in her progression. Get her battle ready with a few more races and then take on the big girls, she won't disgrace herself.

Well all that remains to be seen, but she and IP Beyered out the same (106). CJ can't win the 3yo filly award, but taking down one of the top two would not be impossible and I don't see how it would "ruin" her to try, if given the chance. Sometimes you just have to face a top horse and try your best. If the hypothetical Beldame where to come to pass, I'd see nothing wrong with her giving it shot--RA would be at the end of a long, ambitious campaign and Zenyatta has raced tomato cans on chewed up credit cards all year. And, as you say, CJ is moving forward. Hell, I might bet her myself at 8-1 or 10-1, which is where she'd be in Beldame that included those four.

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Originally Posted by tector

Well all that remains to be seen, but she and IP Beyered out the same (106). CJ can't win the 3yo filly award, but taking down one of the top two would not be impossible and I don't see how it would "ruin" her to try, if given the chance. Sometimes you just have to face a top horse and try your best. If the hypothetical Beldame where to come to pass, I'd see nothing wrong with her giving it shot--RA would be at the end of a long, ambitious campaign and Zenyatta has raced tomato cans on chewed up credit cards all year. And, as you say, CJ is moving forward. Hell, I might bet her myself at 8-1 or 10-1, which is where she'd be in Beldame that included those four.

I know Caroll has mentioned she will be BC bound or that is atleast the target, she can run on poly(Woodbine wins) but in my opinion she looks better on dirt. She has options in The Spinster I guess or the Belmont route, she's legit in my mind and she runs on with a high crusing speed, she can only get better with more racing.