The sad cost of war

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The system we have isnt great, the govt system will be worse.

Couldn't be worse. I have a friend (with insurance) that's been having stomach trouble for a couple months. He got the slow treatment from his doctor(scheduled a lower G.I. for August 12th.) So, it finally got bad enough one night that he went to E.R. on July 25th, and got a Catscan of his midsection done. The money that insurance company execs. n' lawyers are now getting needs to be used for health care. Either that, or don't you dare get sick.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Couldn't be worse. I have a friend (with insurance) that's been having stomach trouble for a couple months. He got the slow treatment from his doctor(scheduled a lower G.I. for August 12th.) So, it finally got bad enough one night that he went to E.R. on July 25th, and got a Catscan of his midsection done. The money that insurance company execs. n' lawyers are now getting needs to be used for health care. Either that, or don't you dare get sick.

If you think people are getting "the slow treatment" now, wait till the new system starts. If the new system is anything like the systems in most other countries with socialized medicine, the wait time will increase by about 5x.

[witchdoctor]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

If you think people are getting "the slow treatment" now, wait till the new system starts. If the new system is anything like the systems in most other countries with socialized medicine, the wait time will increase by about 5x.

Rupert

you are am optimist. When I worked at the VA it took 2-3 months to do what I can now do in private practice in 2-3 days.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

If you think people are getting "the slow treatment" now, wait till the new system starts. If the new system is anything like the systems in most other countries with socialized medicine, the wait time will increase by about 5x.

Then you should be glad that, if it passes, you can keep your regular doctor, hospital, insurance company, etc. and not have to be involved in it at all.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

Then you should be glad that, if it passes, you can keep your regular doctor, hospital, insurance company, etc. and not have to be involved in it at all.

We won't have a choice if we end up with the single-payer system. Obama claims that he is not in favor of a single-payer system. Yet back in 2003, he said a single-payer system was the ultimate goal.

This new plan will probably be the beginning of the end of private insurance.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...olution-obama/

[Riot]

Fox News hasn't demonstrated much accuracy to me in relaying the content of the various health care bill permutations working their way through committee. The falsehoods and misassumptions are rampant.

Private insurance companies will not go anywhere unless people who use private insurance companies choose to no longer use them.

The health care bill is intended to cover only a [relatively] small amount of Americans.

I find it strange that many of the most publically rabid opponents of any health care bill are not consistent in their beliefs, and are not campaigning in favor of eliminating all government-run "socialist" medicine, such as Medicare, Medicade, and the Veterans programs.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Fox News hasn't demonstrated much accuracy to me in relaying the content of the various health care bill permutations working their way through committee. The falsehoods and misassumptions are rampant.

Private insurance companies will not go anywhere unless people who use private insurance companies choose to no longer use them.

The health care bill is intended to cover only a [relatively] small amount of Americans.

I find it strange that many of the most publically rabid opponents of any health care bill are not consistent in their beliefs, and are not campaigning in favor of eliminating all government-run "socialist" medicine, such as Medicare, Medicade, and the Veterans programs.

For a supposedly business friendly Republican you take an awful lot of anti-business stances. For a program that is only "intended to cover a small amount of Americans", a few trillion is pretty hefty price no?

The idea that anyone who doesnt agree with the policy coming down from the mountaintop is spreading falsehoods and lies is ironic. The fact is that this is going to be exactly what it looks like, a huge boondoggle that eats up everything along the way and becomes so large that it simply exists to live and lives to exist. This is just another part of a radical agenda. The fact that Medicare and Medicade are so screwed up and inefficent should be warning enough that this **** they are trying to squeeze through will be miles worse. Not to mention the negative effect it will have on American small business which as usual will be forced to carry an unfair burden.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This is just another part of a radical agenda.

Radical? So, most civilized countries in the world are radical? Let me tell you something about this country that is radical. We are way out of the norm as far as immigration goes. We are radical on that. There is no excuse for it. Other countries do not just let anybody come there n' play house as long as they'd like to stay. This Health Care stuff is not radical. It's the same shared risk stuff that most other countries think is the right thing to do. This is not cutting edge "radical" stuff, but this is exactly how things get turned around by the self-centered folks in our society. We voted on this. That's a huge part of what that election was about. Seems like Conservatives thought the guy was just kiding. Why didn't you people work like dogs when we had the Presidential Election? You knew he wanted to get everyone insured. He won. This is like children having a fit when they have to actually walk the dog that they so convincingly promised to take care of. You don't have any solutions to this problem. None. There is a big problem. Your party has ignored it, and only comes alive to fight a solution you don't agree with. That's simply not an answer to the problem. The real reason you couldn't win that election is you had a candidate who only knows how to lead resistance. People need solutions. He was a big fat zero at coming up with solutions to problems. 90%of what you Conservative folks write on here is fighting someone's idea of how to solve a problem. Very little solutions are ever brought up by Conservatives. Tax breaks for the rich ain't the ointment to solve these health care problems. It just isn't. What should of been done by Republicans in Congress is to get something you want from the President. Demand he throw every tool possible at stoping illegal immigration. That seems a reasonable demand (since it's Americans that should be getting insured...not some kid that somebody illegally jumped a wall to have born here.)

[Riot]

For a supposedly business friendly Republican you take an awful lot of anti-business stances. For a program that is only "intended to cover a small amount of Americans", a few trillion is pretty hefty price no?

What's "anti-business" about wanting people to be able to afford, and to have, health care?

That "few trillion" is one trillion over 10 years. Less than 1% of our budget.

The idea that anyone who doesnt agree with the policy coming down from the mountaintop is spreading falsehoods and lies is ironic.

?? I haven't said that. I have said that FoxNews hasn't been accurately relaying what's in the various parts of the various bills making way through Committee, and that's certainly true. You have to know what the options are, before you can debate them.

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Riot

Then you should be glad that, if it passes, you can keep your regular doctor, hospital, insurance company, etc. and not have to be involved in it at all.

That is until they are forced out of business. They will now have to compete with a heavily subsided plan funded by tax payers. In the end it will be a gov run mess. The good news for older Americans is that they plan to equalize the risk..meaning that the younger people will pay a heavier burden than older people relative to their probable illness factor ....so if you are older rejoice and thank your younger brethren for paying your disproportionate way.


Riot let me be the first to thank you!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Couldn't be worse. I have a friend (with insurance) that's been having stomach trouble for a couple months. He got the slow treatment from his doctor(scheduled a lower G.I. for August 12th.) So, it finally got bad enough one night that he went to E.R. on July 25th, and got a Catscan of his midsection done. The money that insurance company execs. n' lawyers are now getting needs to be used for health care. Either that, or don't you dare get sick.

It will be worse.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Couldn't be worse. I have a friend (with insurance) that's been having stomach trouble for a couple months. He got the slow treatment from his doctor(scheduled a lower G.I. for August 12th.) So, it finally got bad enough one night that he went to E.R. on July 25th, and got a Catscan of his midsection done. The money that insurance company execs. n' lawyers are now getting needs to be used for health care. Either that, or don't you dare get sick.

That has absolutely nothing to do with insurance and everything to do with the doctor's schedule. And really your friend needs to go wash his p.ussy because a large number of G.I. problems are compounded by the mental aspect of pain.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

That has absolutely nothing to do with insurance and everything to do with the doctor's schedule. And really your friend needs to go wash his p.ussy because a large number of G.I. problems are compounded by the mental aspect of pain.

LOL...That's great. Libertarian types have all the simple solutions to difficult problems (too bad that people ignore their obvious brilliance.)

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Couldn't be worse. I have a friend (with insurance) that's been having stomach trouble for a couple months. He got the slow treatment from his doctor(scheduled a lower G.I. for August 12th.) So, it finally got bad enough one night that he went to E.R. on July 25th, and got a Catscan of his midsection done. The money that insurance company execs. n' lawyers are now getting needs to be used for health care. Either that, or don't you dare get sick.

Has cancer. After 'bout 2 1/2 months, had the colonoscopy today. Big mass blocking, and it bleeds when touched.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Stage 2-type A (whatever that means. ) Best case scenario(if you're gunna have a malignant colon cancer.) Appears totally isolated to that one area. Colon was almost totally blocked. Doctor, and Health Net were playing games the whole way. So, he had to go to another gastroenterologist and surgeon. Everything got done real fast,then. None of that(surgery, hospital stay etc.) was done using his insurance. If he had waited for his Healthnet-Covered doctor to give a damn, then the surgery would of been about Christmas, and it may have spread to the lymph nodes by then. His parents had the money to throw at this. Would of been a lot different if they didn't.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Stage 2-type A (whatever that means. ) Best case scenario(if you're gunna have a malignant colon cancer.) Appears totally isolated to that one area. Colon was almost totally blocked. Doctor, and Health Net were playing games the whole way. So, he had to go to another gastroenterologist and surgeon. Everything got done real fast,then. None of that(surgery, hospital stay etc.) was done using his insurance. If he had waited for his Healthnet-Covered doctor to give a damn, then the surgery would of been about Christmas, and it may have spread to the lymph nodes by then. His parents had the money to throw at this. Would of been a lot different if they didn't.

Great story and good for your friend. A year or 2 from now they may have had to wait to be Govt approved no matter what money they had or how hard they worked for it.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Great story and good for your friend. A year or 2 from now they may have had to wait to be Govt approved no matter what money they had or how hard they worked for it.

What a bunch of ridiculous nonsense. Get up to speed on the whole "healthcare" debate, and what it actually entails, would you?

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Riot

What a bunch of ridiculous nonsense. Get up to speed on the whole "healthcare" debate, and what it actually entails, would you?

It must be groundhog day!

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

What a bunch of ridiculous nonsense. Get up to speed on the whole "healthcare" debate, and what it actually entails, would you?

And keep living in your Obama fairytale story.

Fact is the guy got treated under this system using a second opinion/option. Case closed.....

[timmgirvan]

Yeah....thanks for dropping by,Riot!