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06-22-2009, 04:27 PM
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He can play. He sees the floor like an NBA vet. And he made plays against the best players in the United States like it was a normal day on the court. He will mature physically. He is skinny. NBA weight program will be necessary. PG are usually projects. It has to be the toughest position to walk into. Huge upside imo. 
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06-22-2009, 04:32 PM
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Sebastian telfair?
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06-23-2009, 12:22 PM
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Agree with Pgardn here, think Rubio has huge upside. Hans is a classic "tweener" but with his work ethic and maturity, I think he will easily match Lee's numbers, he showed signs of having a good mid-range jumper, on Rome show he talked about that, he gets it! Lawson is way way underrated!
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06-23-2009, 12:34 PM
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Point guard is not a position where you can be " a project" like center. At least with a center, a guy has size and can clog the middle and defend and grab rebounds while he is learning. That isnt the case at point guard. In order for a point guard to play, he has to be ready to run the offense. Do you really want to trust a slow 18 year old that doesnt shoot it well to run your offense? Do you really want to invest a top 5 pick on a guy that you hope will develop into an NBA guard? I ask again, how many "projects" have made it at point guard?
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06-23-2009, 10:25 PM
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 Last edited by SniperSB23 : 06-24-2009 at 08:38 AM.
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06-23-2009, 11:07 PM
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I'd rather have Lawson over Rubio. Rubio might turn out to be a star but I've seen enough of these highly regarded foreign players that don't pan out. Guys like Zoran Planinic and Nikoloz Tskitishvili and Darko Milicic Yaroslav Korolev and Saer Sene and Yi Jianlian and Danilo Gallinari. I'd rather take a guy that excelled at the highest level of amateur basketball night in and night out against future NBA players. Rubio does look really good though and anyone that passes him up may regret it later but I'd go with Lawson. That guy is a real player and you know exactly what you'll get with him. It's sort of like do you want the horse that will run you some consistent 100 Beyers and win the occassional grade three race or do you want the one that will be like Discreet Cat or Commentator, have the potential to be brilliant but for some reason, never sustain it.
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06-23-2009, 11:15 PM
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And I still think that Lester Hudson is going to make some team happy that they drafted him.
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06-23-2009, 11:26 PM
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Did anyone watch the frggn Olympics? Rubio can play. Not against collegians like Lawson. The best players on the planet. I dont give a flyin flip how tall he is, the guy can play the game. BTW project does not mean unable. It means they will get better with maturity. So there have been a huge number of "projects". Kevin Durant is a project. Look at how his game changes after some added strength. Thabeet is still interesting. He is such a good defender. But with the injuries popping up, and the inability offensively... a taller Oden?
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06-23-2009, 11:49 PM
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Most NBA point guards are drafted in the hope of contributing something pretty quickly. You dont stash a point guard "project" at the back of the bench like you would a big man. Tony Parker started 72 of 77 games his rookie year for a playoff team in san antonio and was all rookie. He started for a championship team his next year. He wasnt a "project". They drafted him as a player and they got one. If a team drafts Rubio, it isnt to be a "project". They want some kind of immediate contribution. I question whether that is realistic. Perhaps I will be proven wrong.
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06-24-2009, 12:09 AM
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Its used too many diff. ways. Just like Power Forward. Tony Parker was pulled numerous times during his first 3 seasons as a Spur in the 4th quarter for more polished guys. The Spurs had no idea that he would be so good, no idea. Popvich had many doubts about Parker's mental game but stuck it out with him because he was so young. Look. Rubio is a ball handling genius. He can be bullied because he is still a kid physically. The NBA is tough. But he will play and contribute imo mainly because he understands the game. Can he be intimitated physically? Maybe. Just like Parker was. He is NOT Derrick Rose physically. He is NOt Ty Lawson or Johnny Flynn physically. But I personally think he is a better player. I think he upside is higher than both these guys. This is what I mean by project, which might be the wrong term. And yes we will see. I thought Oden would be a defensive nightmare and rebounder, and thought L. Aldridge would be a run of the mill off the bench type.
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06-24-2009, 03:27 AM
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Rubio can play. Seriously.
Lawson is a nice player but isnt growing anytime soon. Thabeet may be tall but i cant help think of how Blair of Pittsburgh totally bitched him out. Mullen is a career backup with 6 fouls at best. Out of the league in 2 years at worst. Hansborough is a backup at best. He has zero lateral quickness, has a crude offensive game and simply isnt that big. David Lee would eats his lunch. This is a terrible draft.
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06-24-2009, 06:06 AM
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Thabeet can rebound and block shots until he fills out and perhaps develops a defensive game. Hansborough is a career back up. Lee is a totally different player. This draft is bad at the top but deep with mediocrity.
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06-24-2009, 06:14 AM
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Rubio is a "ball handling genius"? yes, he showed stretches in international play but its a different game here. We will see. All the scouts and everyone on here agree with you so I realize my view is somewhat contrarian. To me, I think these people are insane.
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06-24-2009, 07:09 AM
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Even though it's international play and against good players, it's still exhibition ball for the most part. Consider how good Patrick Mills of Australia looked. After watching him in the Olympics, you half expected him to completely dominate in college at Santa Clara and while he has been a good college player, he's not reached the levels of his rave Olympic reviews.
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06-24-2009, 11:57 AM
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And because he was the fastest guy in the NBA. Is that Talent...? Parker made himself talented. He had no perimeter game and was very weak going to the basket. Both of those things have changed through very hard work. And because of proper strength training he is actually strong now. I dont know what the scouts say. Seriously I read nothing about the guy except they say he is good. I watched the kid on u-tube against inferior competition, and of course the Olympics. He has very good, BIG, quick hands. He stops and starts, changes direction dramatically WITH the ball with purpose (not playground, I now wish to do a dance in front of you and go nowhere). He sees the entire floor. He can go to the hole. He can intiate or direct an offense. Can he fail? Of course. With the wrong team and wrong coach asked to do the wrong things, sure he can fail. Sap the confidence of a player like this, and sure you can kill him. He is not a great athlete that will beat you physically. He will have to beef up also imo, the first year will probably be tough on him physically. More so than the older players that are physically strong.
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