The Dedgradation of the American Dialogue

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Since you seem to adore Obama so much it is hard to believe that you could be a Republican especially since he has done virtually nothing that the party as a whole believes in and is moving the entire countrys system of govt and private industry towards the left. .

LOL...replace the name obama with bush and the same would be true for you.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

LOL...replace the name obama with bush and the same would be true for you.

Yes but I dont pretend to be a liberal yet talk the conservative talk.

[dalakhani]

[quote=Cannon Shell]Yes but I dont pretend to be a liberal yet talk the conservative talk.[/QUOT

Bush pretended to be conservative and did everything you said about Obama yet you still supported to Bush.

What is the difference between someone being republican and supporting either one of them in regards to how in line they are/were with traditional republican views?

Bush was the king of big government...and was in most cases the antithesis of the classic conservative but yet you still supported him.

Why can't RIOT support Obama?

[Cannon Shell]

[quote=dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Yes but I dont pretend to be a liberal yet talk the conservative talk.[/QUOT

Bush pretended to be conservative and did everything you said about Obama yet you still supported to Bush.

What is the difference between someone being republican and supporting either one of them in regards to how in line they are/were with traditional republican views?

Bush was the king of big government...and was in most cases the antithesis of the classic conservative but yet you still supported him.

Why can't RIOT support Obama?

You know that this is bs.

[dalakhani]

[quote=Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

You know that this is bs.

Why? Go back and read the quote that is bolded that you made. I know real conservatives, im talking the hardline nazis(just an expression), that as far back as 2002 were calling for Bush's head for how far left he leaned...and he went more and more to the left as he got into his second term.

But yet you supported him even though he was against much of what you believe besides taxation and its not that he was against spending to save taxes its just that he was against taxes.

[dalakhani]

This is your quote and obama is replaced with Bush:

"Since you seem to adore Bush so much it is hard to believe that you could be a Republican especially since he has done virtually nothing that the party as a whole believes in and is moving the entire countrys system of govt and private industry towards the left."



How is that statement BS???????

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

This is your quote and obama is replaced with Bush:

"Since you seem to adore Bush so much it is hard to believe that you could be a Republican especially since he has done virtually nothing that the party as a whole believes in and is moving the entire countrys system of govt and private industry towards the left."



How is that statement BS???????

because that statement isnt accurate when Bush is substituted for Obama.

[Cannon Shell]

[quote=dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Why? Go back and read the quote that is bolded that you made. I know real conservatives, im talking the hardline nazis(just an expression), that as far back as 2002 were calling for Bush's head for how far left he leaned...and he went more and more to the left as he got into his second term.

But yet you supported him even though he was against much of what you believe besides taxation and its not that he was against spending to save taxes its just that he was against taxes.

Comparing the situations is silly. Taking one issue and making a broad case is stupid. It is like saying I am firmly behind Obama because I think he is correct in...well something...I'm sure there is one area in which I agree with obama with but that doesnt mean I support him. If you believe in most of the general principles of being a republican, then Obama is pretty close to the anti-Christ. No one said you have to have a hardcore constitute in order to be a Republican but it is hypocritical to say you are one if you support this Presidents agenda. You may think you are one but you are living a lie. This aint the Army. You can convert without penalty.

[Riot]

[quote=Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Comparing the situations is silly. Taking one issue and making a broad case is stupid. It is like saying I am firmly behind Obama because I think he is correct in...well something...I'm sure there is one area in which I agree with obama with but that doesnt mean I support him. If you believe in most of the general principles of being a republican, then Obama is pretty close to the anti-Christ. No one said you have to have a hardcore constitute in order to be a Republican but it is hypocritical to say you are one if you support this Presidents agenda. You may think you are one but you are living a lie. This aint the Army. You can convert without penalty.

If only you were as correct as you think you are.

[ArlJim78]

who changed, or will change America more than Obama? did Bush/Cheney radically change America good or bad? Did Falwell change America?

Bush Cheney perhaps muddled through, some good some bad imo. Probably others here think it was all bad. But honestly, what lasting changes did their supposedly pro-Christian regime make? I don't see it, I don't get it. They did not recreate or uproot things that work for america.

on the contrary, your boy Obama is trying to make HUGE changes, and recreate us in the image of failed nations. the changes in the offing are monumental by comparison to anything Bush Cheney accomplished.

if the Heath Care and Carbon control legislation pass in forms anywhere close to what has been proposed, you may as well just turn off the lights.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

But honestly, what lasting changes did their supposedly pro-Christian regime make? .

Well, I think first of the Americans killed in Iraq.

[Cannon Shell]

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009...cle_top10_read

This should stir the pot

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009...cle_top10_read

This should stir the pot

Just more of the same pathetic focus on Obama being a secret Muslim. As if being Muslim in America were bad.

The half-azzed, snide comparison to Hitler is the typical touch of the fear-monger.

Crinkle. Trash.

Edit: But I do like where, in the very first paragraph, Gaffney unwittingly admits his examination is just pandering to special interests <vbg>

[gales0678]

chuck - by the way we in the empire state have a senator that has done a 360 on 2 key issues

the pro gun , pro life senator from saratoga cty now after a few months with uncle chuck (not simon, the other one) is now anti gun and pro choice - my my ....i guess she dances pretty good

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by gales0678

chuck - by the way we in the empire state have a senator that has done a 360 on 2 key issues

the pro gun , pro life senator from saratoga cty now after a few months with uncle chuck (not simon, the other one) is now anti gun and pro choice - my my ....i guess she dances pretty good

its NY, they all suck

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by gales0678

chuck - by the way we in the empire state have a senator that has done a 360 on 2 key issues

the pro gun , pro life senator from saratoga cty now after a few months with uncle chuck (not simon, the other one) is now anti gun and pro choice - my my ....i guess she dances pretty good

http://www.nypost.com/seven/06112009...der_173687.htm

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

who changed, or will change America more than Obama? did Bush/Cheney radically change America good or bad? Did Falwell change America?

Bush Cheney perhaps muddled through, some good some bad imo. Probably others here think it was all bad. But honestly, what lasting changes did their supposedly pro-Christian regime make? I don't see it, I don't get it. They did not recreate or uproot things that work for america.

on the contrary, your boy Obama is trying to make HUGE changes, and recreate us in the image of failed nations. the changes in the offing are monumental by comparison to anything Bush Cheney accomplished.

I hope you are right Jim and that Obama does make HUGE changes, but I basically agree with what Bill Maher said on his show last week. Obama is looking pretty Clintonian to me recently. Establish an overall political course just left of center, but not so far left that you piss anyone off.....or accomplish much that is meaningful.
Has there been any real move on significant environmental reform? No.
Gay rights? No.
Single-Payer health care? No.
Shift the court significantly to the left when given an opportunity? Hard to say for sure, but given her record, it doesn't seem like it.
Fundamentally changing foreign policy objectives? No.
etc. etc. etc.

I'm not saying that any of these developments really surprised me in the least. As much as I might want a far-left presidency, I knew the country was unlikely to actually get one from Obama. I am obviously still pleased that he won, given the laughable nature of the Republican alternative, but I do wish that with control of the executive branch and substantial majorities in both houses of Congress that the Democrats actually acted like the far-left liberals that conservatives accuse them of being despite their actual record of annoying moderation. I wish they said, "screw 2010 and 2012, we have complete control NOW, so let's actually do something." But alas....they never will.