Wooley gets it, I guess others don't

[sumitas]

If only the Injuns would stop their rain dance for their racino at Belmont .

[Bobby Fischer]

what did he get? appreciation for kindly making a pro-racino statement while he has his 15minutes?

[gales0678]

that slots are the future - they saved Sunland Park his home track and they may save other tracks across the country , a lot more people play the 1 arm bandits then the ponies

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

what did he get? appreciation for kindly making a pro-racino statement while he has his 15minutes?

This is a very silly comment. In fact, Chip Woolley had been earlier lauded in Kentucky and Maryland for actively speaking out on behalf of Horsemen on the slots issue, utilizing his own remarkable rise from obscurity as the point of reference.

Woolley has been a surprise to everyone who has encountered him. He's bright, articulate and in touch with the current state of the game. Just because he also happens to be a Southwesten version of a hardboot, doesn't mean he doesn't have something to contribute.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by Kasept

This is a very silly comment. In fact, Chip Woolley had been earlier lauded in Kentucky and Maryland for actively speaking out on behalf of Horsemen on the slots issue, utilizing his own remarkable rise from obscurity as the point iof reference.

Woolley has been a surprise to everyone who has encountered him. He's bright, articulate and in touch with the current state of the game. Just because he also happens to be a Southwesten version of a hardboot, doesn't mean he doesn't have something to contribute.

Gimme a break Byk...the guy is the biggest baffoon around.
His statements regarding RA connections when he was being the Chicken$h!+ trying to dodge the filly really showed his true colors.
Does 'they are the ones causin all the problems by tryin to supplement the filly' ring a bell???

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

Gimme a break Byk...the guy is the biggest baffoon around. His statements regarding RA connections when he was being the Chicken$h!+ trying to dodge the filly really showed his true colors. Does 'they are the ones causin all the problems by tryin to supplement the filly' ring a bell???

If you want to base your opinion of him on that, that's fine.. I thought the whole episode came and went and was rather comical. The future of KY's industry, the delay in the AQU VLT parlor, and the languishing of MD, all strike me as more important.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Kasept

If you want to base your opinion of him on that, that's fine.. I thought the whole episode came and went and was rather comical. The future of KY's industry, the delay in the AQU VLT parlor, and the languishing of MD, all strike me as more important.

steve iread recently where yonkers raceway was the most profitable casino in the country now

certainly the Big A would rival it or even surpass it

Yonkers gets a lot of the Atlantic City crowd from the Bronx who now only have to journey about 15 minutes rather than 2 hrs. The city has tons of people in Queens and Brooklyn who would head to play the slots at the Big A rather than venture down to AC.

Purse sizes by default would have to increase , it would create more jobs , there would be multiple dining establishments ....think of all the poeple who may take a 2nd look or an inital look at the horse racing game , they could even install lights and run on Friday / Sat nights at the Big A during the winter

[Scav]

Originally Posted by gales0678

steve iread recently where yonkers raceway was the most profitable casino in the country now

certainly the Big A would rival it or even surpass it

Yonkers gets a lot of the Atlantic City crowd from the Bronx who now only have to journey about 15 minutes rather than 2 hrs. The city has tons of people in Queens and Brooklyn who would head to play the slots at the Big A rather than venture down to AC.

Purse sizes by default would have to increase , it would create more jobs , there would be multiple dining establishments ....think of all the poeple who may take a 2nd look or an inital look at the horse racing game , they could even install lights and run on Friday / Sat nights at the Big A during the winter

You have been ok recently, but now I know you have absolutely LOST IT...

At Night, in the middle of winter, in New York?....

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by Kasept

If you want to base your opinion of him on that, that's fine.. I thought the whole episode came and went and was rather comical. The future of KY's industry, the delay in the AQU VLT parlor, and the languishing of MD, all strike me as more important.

Maybe Im biased because I knew of Chip Wooley before this Spring.
He purchased a 2yo off of a Ky trainer that i know rather well..for 460k. In Sept. of 2007.
He came into louisville with his black Harley t-shirt (with the sleeves rolled up )..lets just say he didnt come off as a real sharp guy. JJ Graci wouldve said 'he didnt know which end of the horse ate.'

He doesnt take a genuis to figure out that Slots put more in owners and TRAINERS pockets.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

Maybe Im biased because I knew of Chip Wooley before this Spring.
He purchased a 2yo off of a Ky trainer that i know rather well..for 460k. In Sept. of 2007.
He came into louisville with his black Harley t-shirt (with the sleeves rolled up )..lets just say he didnt come off as a real sharp guy. JJ Graci wouldve said 'he didnt know which end of the horse ate.'

He doesnt take a genuis to figure out that Slots put more in owners and TRAINERS pockets.

I hear you. My point simply was in terms of utilizing him and his specific story while the proverbial iron was hot is advantageous for the jurisdictions that are waging Death Race 2009 right now...

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

doesnt take a genuis to figure out that Slots put more in owners and TRAINERS pockets.

Other than that ... they are without question bad for the game.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Kasept

If you want to base your opinion of him on that, that's fine.. I thought the whole episode came and went and was rather comical. The future of KY's industry, the delay in the AQU VLT parlor, and the languishing of MD, all strike me as more important.

If I remember correctly, it was MTB's owner, the Allen guy, who was thinking of entering another horse to keep Rachel out... and changed his mind when his horse trainer, Chip Wooley, and father told him that was unsportsmanlike and chickenshit.

dont think Wooley did anything wrong there! Just talked some sense into Allen.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Kasept

This is a very silly comment. In fact, Chip Woolley had been earlier lauded in Kentucky and Maryland for actively speaking out on behalf of Horsemen on the slots issue, utilizing his own remarkable rise from obscurity as the point of reference.

Woolley has been a surprise to everyone who has encountered him. He's bright, articulate and in touch with the current state of the game. Just because he also happens to be a Southwesten version of a hardboot, doesn't mean he doesn't have something to contribute.

Please enlighten us how millions of people losing millions of dollars in an idiot box helps horse racing.. Oh I guess you mean the inflated purses for a few years till the folks are broke and the state has to bail them out with welfare food stamps and free medical and legal fees. Horse racing thrived when it was one of the very few gambling options.. More gambling dollars spent on ancillary products can never be a good long term solution. Less dates, less horses and consequently less folks in the business is the answer..Its just a bitter pill to swallow but it is the long term I care about not some inflated overnight purse for chemists to get horses hopped up for..

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Please enlighten us how millions of people losing millions of dollars in an idiot box helps horse racing.. Oh I guess you mean the inflated purses for a few years till the folks are broke and the state has to bail them out with welfare food stamps and free medical and legal fees. Horse racing thrived when it was one of the very few gambling options.. More gambling dollars spent on ancillary products can never be a good long term solution. Less dates, less horses and consequently less folks in the business is the answer..Its just a bitter pill to swallow but it is the long term I care about not some inflated overnight purse for chemists to get horses hopped up for..

That is already happening freddy , do you think waht is going on over at Yonkers is bad for harness racing? the people playing the slots would have gone to AC anyway , why not use slots as a means to better the game and advance it into the 21st century

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by gales0678

better the game and advance it into the 21st century

This is pretty laughable. All but three tracks still use chartcallers to get their data; most of the Cali tracks, and the Meadowlands, have stopped showing full headon replays, and tracks like Pimlico don't have enough zoon lens cameras to go around -- NYRA had this 'problem' until recently, as well. The 'game' or, more precisely, those controlling it, could really give a **** about catching up with the times.

YET, the game is a lot better of than it was before for those playing it. More tracks means more options. And, the last thing that's making a comeback is gamblers going back to the track to bet. The interesting thing is that I could care less what happens to AQU or BEL, or even SAR. It's nice not being held hostage by my 'local' track(s). Plenty of other places to play. And, the degenerate arm pullers could hike it over to Jersey or start sniffing glue (assuming they aren't already).

[Riot]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

This is pretty laughable. All but three tracks still use chartcallers to get their data; most of the Cali tracks, and the Meadowlands, have stopped showing full headon replays, and tracks like Pimlico don't have enough zoon lens cameras to go around -- NYRA had this 'problem' until recently, as well. The 'game' or, more precisely, those controlling it, could really give a **** about catching up with the times.

You forgot about hand-timing turf races ... sorta accurately

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

This is pretty laughable. All but three tracks still use chartcallers to get their data; most of the Cali tracks, and the Meadowlands, have stopped showing full headon replays, and tracks like Pimlico don't have enough zoon lens cameras to go around -- NYRA had this 'problem' until recently, as well. The 'game' or, more precisely, those controlling it, could really give a **** about catching up with the times.

YET, the game is a lot better of than it was before for those playing it. More tracks means more options. And, the last thing that's making a comeback is gamblers going back to the track to bet. The interesting thing is that I could care less what happens to AQU or BEL, or even SAR. It's nice not being held hostage by my 'local' track(s). Plenty of other places to play. And, the degenerate arm pullers could hike it over to Jersey or start sniffing glue (assuming they aren't already).

NYRA seems to be making a pretty serious effort to "catch up with the times" in my opinion.

[chucklestheclown]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Please enlighten us how millions of people losing millions of dollars in an idiot box helps horse racing.. Oh I guess you mean the inflated purses for a few years till the folks are broke and the state has to bail them out with welfare food stamps and free medical and legal fees. Horse racing thrived when it was one of the very few gambling options.. More gambling dollars spent on ancillary products can never be a good long term solution. Less dates, less horses and consequently less folks in the business is the answer..Its just a bitter pill to swallow but it is the long term I care about not some inflated overnight purse for chemists to get horses hopped up for..

Put me in this camp since I'm already there. I'm sure it's not a popular opinion, but I KNOW slots have not worked at many tracks where it was thought they would.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Please enlighten us how millions of people losing millions of dollars in an idiot box helps horse racing.. Oh I guess you mean the inflated purses for a few years till the folks are broke and the state has to bail them out with welfare food stamps and free medical and legal fees. Horse racing thrived when it was one of the very few gambling options.. More gambling dollars spent on ancillary products can never be a good long term solution. Less dates, less horses and consequently less folks in the business is the answer..Its just a bitter pill to swallow but it is the long term I care about not some inflated overnight purse for chemists to get horses hopped up for..

The gambling genie is out of the bottle Frederich, and it's not my problem to put it back. Because the alternative gaming in lesser jurisdictions already exists and is syphoning horses from the major ovals, there needs to be some catch up played. I don't disagree with you on the dates concept and hard long term solutions, but better to apply the band-aid now and cure the disease after.

In NY, Albany's feet-dragging and malfeasance, and the conspiracy with the Lottery Division to foist the franchise away from the Association, has cost you and me and the rest of the taxpayers of the state hundreds of millions over the past 6-7 years. In addition, it has put NY in the same potential 'jackpot' that Maryland and Illinois found itself, and Kentucky is finding itself.

[PatCummings]

Once everyone gets slots, the gig is up for those who have them and any advantages they had go away. It keeps more people in the racing (employees and horses that is), but the playing field will be more leveled.

I can't fault any jurisdiction for pursuing the slots at their own place, and any help you can get - so be it. Slots are not a savior, but a temporary inflation adjustment that has been long missed in many places.

Slots are welfare for horse racing.

That being said, I fully supported the initiative to get them in PA - even wrote my undergrad senior thesis on the feasibility of slot machines at PA racetracks (nice way to get to do "research" at the track while in college).

Once everyone gets some, those who had it from the beginning start craving more.

The slots era in racing should be viewed as such...

Let's find a way to help insert more money into the sport and that will get the state government to go along with it...ok, great...we've put ourselves on the IV-drip of slots money. Now - we SHOULD be going out and doing everything we can to improve racing for the long-term (find ways to increase wagering, uniform guidelines, improved marketing, making the track a great place to be, increasing fans, etc).

Slots are stimulus packages for the sport...once everyone has them, the stimulus won't feel like one any longer. Now is the time to innovate and change...