UPDATE: Dunkirk surgery for left hind condylar fracture..

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Reports indicating DUNKIRK has a fracture in the hind end suffered in the Belmont that will require surgery. Not being called career-ending...

damn

he's probably done too. Sucks

[Slewbopper]

5-2-2-0....No stakes wins....25K sounds like a good stud fee

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Slewbopper

5-2-2-0....No stakes wins....25K sounds like a good stud fee

They couldn't get anything close to $25k. As you said, he has no stakes wins. They would be lucky to get $10k.

[letswastemoney]

Which horse is the most durable Unbridled's Song offspring? Are there any that have lasted a long time?

[letswastemoney]

Octave, now that I think of it. She didn't race for a long time, but I don't remember her getting any major injuries

[Port Conway Lane]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

Which horse is the most durable Unbridled's Song offspring? Are there any that have lasted a long time?

That's a good question and what I found out using the pedigreequery site is that his offspring are no less durable than AP Indy.

http://www.pedigreequery.com/index.p...l%20Horses&cf=

http://www.pedigreequery.com/index.p...l%20Horses&cf=

The links above are sorted by record.Most of the horses near the top are geldings.When sorted by earnings there is very little overall difference bretween the two sires as far as durability.

I believe there are blanket assumptions made about certain sires when the progeny that standout are injured.Especially the sires who had highly publicized injuries themselves.

Well the links I copied and pasted didn't take. To view choose "progeny" under the reports column.

[Danzig]

i'd imagine that unbridled song gets labelled as producing unsoundness because he was an early retiree, and many of his best are as well-but that may be a result of demand for his sons at stud, moreso than any facts about unsoundness. as soon as they show any real promise (rockport harbor) the talk starts. as soon as there is a setback, more often then not, the decision is made to retire the horse rather than risk more injury, or more losses.
however, he had a couple horses on the the derby trail this year-old fashioned didn't make it into the gate, and now dunkirk is said to be injured. dunkirk also has very few lifetime starts-which i feel makes it laughable to say that the rigors of racing are to blame for his injury-he hasn't exactly done a lot of racing.


but i do find it funny in an ironic sort of way that people talk about breeding unsoundness...but when a good horse who has also exhibited fragility is retired, there are many who say well, just breed the right mare to him, it'll be ok. ghostzapper is a good case in point-when he went to stud, and i questioned why anyone would want to send a mare to a horse that could only manage three/four starts a year, my sanity was questioned. he was a fast horse, so unsoundness be damned was the gist of it.

[Sightseek]

Gross, what a headline.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...dylar-fracture

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i'd imagine that unbridled song gets labelled as producing unsoundness because he was an early retiree, and many of his best are as well-but that may be a result of demand for his sons at stud, moreso than any facts about unsoundness. as soon as they show any real promise (rockport harbor) the talk starts. as soon as there is a setback, more often then not, the decision is made to retire the horse rather than risk more injury, or more losses.
however, he had a couple horses on the the derby trail this year-old fashioned didn't make it into the gate, and now dunkirk is said to be injured. dunkirk also has very few lifetime starts-which i feel makes it laughable to say that the rigors of racing are to blame for his injury-he hasn't exactly done a lot of racing.


but i do find it funny in an ironic sort of way that people talk about breeding unsoundness...but when a good horse who has also exhibited fragility is retired, there are many who say well, just breed the right mare to him, it'll be ok. ghostzapper is a good case in point-when he went to stud, and i questioned why anyone would want to send a mare to a horse that could only manage three/four starts a year, my sanity was questioned. he was a fast horse, so unsoundness be damned was the gist of it.

I think what happens is a lot of Unbridled's Song's need time to grow into their frame but they are so fast so quick that few can resist the temptation to run them early. So they rack up early wins but were on the track before they were fully ready and as a result get injured. The ones that don't get to the track until later are actually relatively sound. If the breeding fascination was on horses that run well at 4 and 5 instead of 2 and 3 then I think Unbridled's Song would have a very different reputation as there wouldn't be the incentive to rush the talented ones to the track.

[cowgirlintexas]

Look at Omnitraders record.... Wow! 119 starts!

Did notice quite a few never even made it to the track. Also Zoftig had two foals and neither made it to the races.. too bad.