Borel off Bird for Rachel in Preakness

[GenuineRisk]

What??? They're running RA in the Preakness? Do they not understand that these races are showcases for the stallions of tomorrow? That colts should stay with colts and fillies with fillies and never the twain shall meet because it's just unnatural and offensive to the fillies' delicate sensibilities, letting them get bumped around by a bunch of big colty colt males?? You might as well just dress them in a miniskirt and high heels and stick them in a dark alley. (Though not with Mine That Bird; he can't take advantage of the situation and therefore should be scratched anyway.)

Harumph. Next thing you know they're going to let women vote and then you'll really see things go to hell in a handbasket. And you kids, get off my lawn.

[King Glorious]

So two weeks is too soon to bring her back but the horses from the Derby can come back with one less day after running harder and longer?

[Travis Stone]

I really doubt Jackson would spend $10 million just to sit on her for the Acorn. Though I feel the galloped home stuff is overrated, she barely even lifted a foot in the Ky. Oaks. I say the Preakness is a go!

Fans are funny. For one, we want these superstars to race and make headlines and try stuff... now we have the chance, and it's "Mr. Jackson, please don't run her..." Yadda yadda yadda.

[Rootdog1]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

I really doubt Jackson would spend $10 million just to sit on her for the Acorn. Though I feel the galloped home stuff is overrated, she barely even lifted a foot in the Ky. Oaks. I say the Preakness is a go!

Fans are funny. For one, we want these superstars to race and make headlines and try stuff... now we have the chance, and it's "Mr. Jackson, please don't run her..." Yadda yadda yadda.

Hey, Yadda Yadda - what is the benefit of running her on two weeks rest after that effort. I agree take on the boys, but why not wait for a tired bunch of colts in the Belmont?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Rootdog1

Hey, Yadda Yadda - what is the benefit of running her on two weeks rest after that effort. I agree take on the boys, buy why not wait for a tired bunch of colts in the Belmont?

Forget the Preakness and the Belmont, why not have her ready for the Travers? I have no idea on this but how many times has a filly even tried the Travers, let alone won it, it can't be very many...

Now that would be historic (Given I am right about fillies not contesting the Travers)

http://www.nyra.com/Saratoga/Stakes/Travers.shtml

Link is a historic view of the Travers, are there any fillies on there?

[Port Conway Lane]

I vote Talamo

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Port Conway Lane

I vote Talamo

For MTB? I would go with Ramon Dominguez but I have no idea who Wooley will pick or who he has been associated with in his past. Ramon mostly because I see some similarities between MTB and Better Talk Now.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Scav

Forget the Preakness and the Belmont, why not have her ready for the Travers? I have no idea on this but how many times has a filly even tried the Travers, let alone won it, it can't be very many...

Now that would be historic (Given I am right about fillies not contesting the Travers)

http://www.nyra.com/Saratoga/Stakes/Travers.shtml

Link is a historic view of the Travers, are there any fillies on there?

Are you a franchisee in Carolina BBQ? You pushing for a big gate for the boss man.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Are you a franchisee in Carolina BBQ? You pushing for a big gate for the boss man.

While I am serious, anything to help the boss man is a ok also

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Scav

Forget the Preakness and the Belmont, why not have her ready for the Travers? I have no idea on this but how many times has a filly even tried the Travers, let alone won it, it can't be very many...

Now that would be historic (Given I am right about fillies not contesting the Travers)

http://www.nyra.com/Saratoga/Stakes/Travers.shtml

Link is a historic view of the Travers, are there any fillies on there?

i wouldn't mind seeing her in the travers. there's a long enough break from next saturday to the august race...should she win in md, i don't see why they couldn't attempt the other.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by Scav

for the Travers? I have no idea on this but how many times has a filly even tried the Travers, let alone won it, it can't be very many...

Three of the first 5 Travers winners were fillies - Maiden (1865), Ruthless (1867), and The Banshee (1868). Nellie Gray was second in 1871, Sultana won in 1876, Brademante was second in 1877, then Liza was a winner in 1895.

In the 20th Century, we had 1903 winner Ada Nay and 1915 winner Lady Rotha, the most recent female winner, although other have tried. Prudery in 1921 and Nimba in 1927 each tried to add the Travers to her Alabama win, only to run second . And champion filly Bed o' Roses was second in 1950. How many others started and failed to place, I cannot tell without more work than I care to do.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by Rootdog1

Hey, Yadda Yadda - what is the benefit of running her on two weeks rest after that effort. I agree take on the boys, but why not wait for a tired bunch of colts in the Belmont?

In last year's Belmont Stakes, three horses were exiting the Preakness, while three others were exciting the Derby. The Derby horses outperformed the Preakness horses. The tired horses / Belmont angle is overplayed in my opinion.

We know Rachel Alexandra can handle 9 furlongs no problem, and judging by the way she finished, 9.5f should be no issue either. Her 108 Beyer in the Oaks is more than 10 points better than the runner-ups in the Derby. She didn't have a grueling race, the colts are weak, the purse is $1 million, it's a grade one, it's an American classic... it's a go in my opinion. If she flops, you can re-group for the fillies in the Acorn.

Furthermore, there are still some ?'s about who could re-surface in the Belmont which could make it a more difficult race than the Preakness.

[slotdirt]

Vomit is official - Rachel has been transfered to the Assman. Shame on you, Jess Jackson.

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

In last year's Belmont Stakes, three horses were exiting the Preakness, while three others were exciting the Derby. The Derby horses outperformed the Preakness horses. The tired horses / Belmont angle is overplayed in my opinion.

We know Rachel Alexandra can handle 9 furlongs no problem, and judging by the way she finished, 9.5f should be no issue either. Her 108 Beyer in the Oaks is more than 10 points better than the runner-ups in the Derby. She didn't have a grueling race, the colts are weak, the purse is $1 million, it's a grade one, it's an American classic... it's a go in my opinion. If she flops, you can re-group for the fillies in the Acorn.

Furthermore, there are still some ?'s about who could re-surface in the Belmont which could make it a more difficult race than the Preakness.

Who? Quality Road? I doubt Jerkens would enter him off the injury and long break.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Who? Quality Road? I doubt Jerkens would enter him off the injury and long break.

I think there's a chance we see him on Belmont Day.

In the Woody Stephens.


12F off the injury would probably be too much to ask, even for the best 3YO in America.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Who? Quality Road? I doubt Jerkens would enter him off the injury and long break.

This was a minor point in my whole argument but yeah, though unlikely, QR... and don't laugh at me, but if Dunkirk heals-up (he stumbled really bad coming out of the gate) because like him or not, he ran one of the best preps this spring, Friesan Fire if he waits and heals-up. Regardless, the Preakness field is nothing to be scared about.