Weekend Beyers (Rachel 108; Bird 105)

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by gales0678

how many times has dutrow runners tested postive , you would have people on here believe that it has been thousands of times?

do you even know the number?

You are kidding, right? It's been every since 2000 that he's had at least one fine or suspension for an overage.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

You are kidding, right? It's been every since 2000 that he's had at least one fine or suspension for an overage.

scott - show me the suspensions/fines all of them every year is there a site i can look at?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by gales0678

scott - show me the suspensions/fines all of them every year is there a site i can look at?

I don't have a full list but there is a lot of info in this article:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/colum...sportCat=horse

Dutrow's ARCI rap sheet contains 72 entries, including fines and suspensions in Maryland, California, New York, Florida, Delaware and New Jersey.
Several of those are for his own personal conduct; many involve marijuana. Others include: an alleged attempt to pass forged checks in Maryland; an attempt to provide a false urine sample "by means of an apparatus concealed on his person"; and a failure to report on a New York license application a 1991 criminal conviction in Nevada.

And he's been fined or suspended at least once every year since 2000 for doping issues. In 2000, a barn search in New York produced "an injectible vitamin which is forbidden." In '01, a horse had excessive Lasix -- an anti-bleeding medication -- in its system. In '02, Dutrow "failed to follow Lasix procedures." In '03, a horse tested positive for Mepivacaine. From '04 through an '08 fine in Florida, there were citations regarding Lasix, Clenbuterol, Phenylbutazone and Oxyphenbutazone.

He served a 60-day suspension in 2005 after two of his horses tested positive for banned substances and for a claiming violation. Then, in 2007, he served an additional 14-day suspension and was fined $25,000 for violating conditions of his suspension by having contact with his stable.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I don't have a full list but there is a lot of info in this article:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/colum...sportCat=horse

Dutrow's ARCI rap sheet contains 72 entries, including fines and suspensions in Maryland, California, New York, Florida, Delaware and New Jersey.
Several of those are for his own personal conduct; many involve marijuana. Others include: an alleged attempt to pass forged checks in Maryland; an attempt to provide a false urine sample "by means of an apparatus concealed on his person"; and a failure to report on a New York license application a 1991 criminal conviction in Nevada.

And he's been fined or suspended at least once every year since 2000 for doping issues. In 2000, a barn search in New York produced "an injectible vitamin which is forbidden." In '01, a horse had excessive Lasix -- an anti-bleeding medication -- in its system. In '02, Dutrow "failed to follow Lasix procedures." In '03, a horse tested positive for Mepivacaine. From '04 through an '08 fine in Florida, there were citations regarding Lasix, Clenbuterol, Phenylbutazone and Oxyphenbutazone.

He served a 60-day suspension in 2005 after two of his horses tested positive for banned substances and for a claiming violation. Then, in 2007, he served an additional 14-day suspension and was fined $25,000 for violating conditions of his suspension by having contact with his stable.

scott we live in america , no one here has show me any proof the TOFP was juiced that day when he jumped 20+ points , yet DRF felt compelled to write a story without having any facts about the horse in question. Again can you tell me TOFP was jucied when he won in florida that day and jumped 20+ beyer points?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by gales0678

scott we live in america , no one here has show me any proof the TOFP was juiced that day when he jumped 20+ points , yet DRF felt compelled to write a story without having any facts about the horse in question. Again can you tell me TOFP was jucied when he won in florida that day and jumped 20+ beyer points?

There is a pretty good indication that Dutrow is doing something different with the horse than the previous trainer was and it isn't training related as the form reversal occurred way too quick for that to be the case.

[Gander]

Hes claimed in the past, a big reason for all his success is the dental work he does on his new horses

I know I feel better when I come back from getting my teeth cleaned but I dont think my mile time is all that much better.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

There is a pretty good indication that Dutrow is doing something different with the horse than the previous trainer was and it isn't training related as the form reversal occurred way too quick for that to be the case.

so are you telling me TOFP was juiced in the race in question in florida?

that is the only explanation as to why he jumped 20+ points that day?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by gales0678

so are you telling me TOFP was juiced in the race in question in florida?

that is the only explanation as to why he jumped 20+ points that day?

I think when you consider Dutrow's past records with these cases the evidence points to the horse being juiced.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

The horse that was 3rd beaten 7.5 lengths in This One's For Phil's high Beyer dirt race ... was the horse who blew Mine That Bird away with a very wide sweep move on the far turn enroute to a Sunland Derby victory in his only other career dirt start.