Mr. President

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Stud, you wanna know what stupid is?
Stupid someone who watched that interview and honestly believes that Bush didn't know the exact plans of the plot he referred to down to the last detail.
Really stupid is someone not understanding how intelligence works and thinking that Bush could just make more than a vague reference to that plot, in a manner exactly as he did it.
I remember the info about Bush and Gore, they also showed SAT scores and Bush had much, much higher scores.
Its kind of amazing that anyone could think hes dumb.

Stupid is thinking Bush could tell the truth if his life depended on it. I assume the interview cited in the following article is the one to which everyone is referring:

http://www.tnr.com/blog/theplank?pid=36597

And I think you have Gore and Kerry confused on the SAT scores. But hey, no worries; Bush can't keep bin Laden and Hussein straight... FYI, here's the respective scores for Bush and Gore:

Bush: Verbal: 566, Math: 640 (out of 800)
Gore: Verbal: 625, Math: 730 (out of 800)

... and I beat them both in Verbal, and Bush in Math. What does that say? (absolutely nothing, really. Fat lot of good it's done me. )

[GenuineRisk]

Which of course is not to call you stupid, Oracle, as I don't think you are (and wouldn't even if tortured. ) I'm just a sucker for continuing a repetitive bit.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Stupid is thinking Bush could tell the truth if his life depended on it. I assume the interview cited in the following article is the one to which everyone is referring:

http://www.tnr.com/blog/theplank?pid=36597

And I think you have Gore and Kerry confused on the SAT scores. But hey, no worries; Bush can't keep bin Laden and Hussein straight... FYI, here's the respective scores for Bush and Gore:

Bush: Verbal: 566, Math: 640 (out of 800)
Gore: Verbal: 625, Math: 730 (out of 800)

... and I beat them both in Verbal, and Bush in Math. What does that say? (absolutely nothing, really. Fat lot of good it's done me. )

interesting. Despite being so smart ...how the heck did Gore manage to lose his home state? Only major party candidate for Prez ever to do that.

[Seattleallstar]

im still scratching my head over that one, to me its the equivlalent of Bush losing in Texas.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

interesting. Despite being so smart ...how the heck did Gore manage to lose his home state? Only major party candidate for Prez ever to do that.

Oh, STS, one could write a tome on what Gore did wrong in his campaign. A veritable tome, I tell ya! He would have been well served not to take his home state for granted and actually campaigned there a little harder...

But I think there has also been a definite anti-intellectual bent in the nation for the past couple decades, (which is not good for our long-term dominance) and I think a lot of American voters don't want to vote for who they see as the smartest guy in the room-- they want to vote for the guy they think is like them. And I'm not sure how we, as a nation, address that. For all of our "kids need to do well in school" we sure don't make being an academic achiever socially acceptable, do we? Better to be the athlete or the drunk party guy if you want to have friends. What do you guys think? How do we address the anti-smarts thing the country seems to have going on?

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Oh, STS, one could write a tome on what Gore did wrong in his campaign. A veritable tome, I tell ya! He would have been well served not to take his home state for granted and actually campaigned there a little harder...

But I think there has also been a definite anti-intellectual bent in the nation for the past couple decades, (which is not good for our long-term dominance) and I think a lot of American voters don't want to vote for who they see as the smartest guy in the room-- they want to vote for the guy they think is like them. And I'm not sure how we, as a nation, address that. For all of our "kids need to do well in school" we sure don't make being an academic achiever socially acceptable, do we? Better to be the athlete or the drunk party guy if you want to have friends. What do you guys think? How do we address the anti-smarts thing the country seems to have going on?

The smartest guy I knew in HS, last time I heard was selling shoes. It's what you DO with your intelligence that matters. There needs to be a balance between scholarship and real-world sense. Education costs a fortune these days and, in reality, does not guarantee success in business or personal life

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

The smartest guy I knew in HS, last time I heard was selling shoes. It's what you DO with your intelligence that matters. There needs to be a balance between scholarship and real-world sense. Education costs a fortune these days and, in reality, does not guarantee success in business or personal life

Tim G,
I'm with you on that.
Here's a quote from Marcus Aurelius...
"Your life is what your thoughts make it."

See also: Proverbs 23:7

DTS

[Revolution]

education does not equal intelligence. i am very well educated, that does not make me smart. if bush and cheney are not bright, what does that say about the opposition party that they have been running circles around for six years?

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Revolution

education does not equal intelligence. i am very well educated, that does not make me smart. if bush and cheney are not bright, what does that say about the opposition party that they have been running circles around for six years?

Right, and I don't think anyone would say Americans are naturally stupid-- look at all the guys who only know about politics what Fox news feeds them but can give you the batting order for their favorite team's last twenty games. It's not a lack of natural intelligence; it's a lack of intellectual curiousity, and I think that goes back to our country's current disdain for intellectual achievement. And I think to some extent, it contributes to Bush's past success. Americans aren't interested in pursuing intellectual topics and so they're happier getting a simpler message, which the Republicans are much, much better at framing. Did any of you read the full story behind Kerry's "I was for the war before I was against it" thing about his Iraq votes? When taken in context, his two votes make complete sense, but he couldn't articulate it simply and the opposition was happy to jump on it and make him "flip-flopper," which is simple and easy for people to grasp (never mind that Bush has done his share of flip-flopping).

I also, honestly, blame the media. Most media outlets are owned by big corporations, and if anyone thinks these corporations don't have a vital interest in keeping the Republicans and their system of corporate welfare in power, they're kidding themselves. TIME Magazine had a ton of stuff prior to the 2004 election that they refused to release because they "didn't want to influence the outcome." What? Isn't giving the American people all the facts, both good and bad the JOB of a news magazine?

And the Republicans are better at dictating the arguments. No question there. They're masters of it.

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Gore: Verbal: 625, Math: 730 (out of 800)

Wahahahahahahaha !!!!

What is your source for those numbers ... little AlGoreJr himself?

Hey ... this genius flunked out of divinity school ... yeah, flunked out ... of divinity school ...

... yeah ... it's a certainty that he got 1355 on the SAT's.

Wahahahahahahaha !!!!