Quality Road wont run..

[Danzig]

i'm not surprised. the only thing surprising is that it has taken this long to declare him out of the race.

[sdjcom]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i'm not surprised. the only thing surprising is that it has taken this long to declare him out of the race.

I agree with you, after the second Q-crack on the front that should have been it. How could anyone have confidence in betting on this horse with all the Question marks, and would be an injustice to race fans on Saturday who were not paying attention. If a horse is not 110% then he should be scratch, to many horses in this race for one to pull up causing trouble.

[joeydb]

Will it still be a 20 horse field since they didn't have the post draw yet, or has the deadline for registration (or invitation) already passed?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Will it still be a 20 horse field since they didn't have the post draw yet, or has the deadline for registration (or invitation) already passed?

probably-draw is mid week, it's only after the draw that no one else can get in.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by sdjcom

I agree with you, after the second Q-crack on the front that should have been it. How could anyone have confidence in betting on this horse with all the Question marks, and would be an injustice to race fans on Saturday who were not paying attention. If a horse is not 110% then he should be scratch, to many horses in this race for one to pull up causing trouble.

my main thought is that since it's the derby, presumably the toughest race of the year for a 3 yo, that you must be in top form. running a horse less than at his best isn't fair to the horse. and yes, since it's the derby, everyone pushes harder to get in-but the prestige of the race itself shouldn't push people to do something they normally would not. also, having a horse not at its best-just where do you expect to finish in the race if you run it? better to skip and wonder, than run and regret it.

[Danzig]

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...rby-contention

[SuffolkGirl]

It really is a shame, I was looking forward to his KY Derby run. However, the good news is, he is being very well managed and we have a chance to see him later in the year.

[cakes44]

Is Patena in yet?

[Sightseek]

Too bad the best horse won't be in the Derby, but he'll regroup and kick butt soon!

[LARHAGE]

I'll bet JV rides Mr. Hot Stuff now, hey it beats sitting in the room.

[Suffolk Shippers]

Originally Posted by sdjcom

I agree with you, after the second Q-crack on the front that should have been it. How could anyone have confidence in betting on this horse with all the Question marks, and would be an injustice to race fans on Saturday who were not paying attention. If a horse is not 110% then he should be scratch, to many horses in this race for one to pull up causing trouble.

If they didn't withdraw, and intended to run Saturday, and people went ahead and bet him knowing all that has gone on since the minute he stepped into the winners circle at the FLA Derby....then they deserve to have their money taken and served a cold dose of injustice. That's the beauty of parimutuel wagering, you can win foolish/uninformed people's money.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Suffolk Shippers

If they didn't withdraw, and intended to run Saturday, and people went ahead and bet him knowing all that has gone on since the minute he stepped into the winners circle at the FLA Derby....then they deserve to have their money taken and served a cold dose of injustice. That's the beauty of parimutuel wagering, you can win foolish/uninformed people's money.

Reason #172 why people don't care about racing. On days like the Derby and the BC, there are a good number of new fans that are coming to the track or watching for the first time. Sure, we as hardcore fans, ones that read the DRF and Bloodhorse and frequent messege boards, we know what's been going on with Quality Road. But can you really expect all of those new fans to know? They really deserve to have their money taken?

[philcski]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Reason #172 why people don't care about racing. On days like the Derby and the BC, there are a good number of new fans that are coming to the track or watching for the first time. Sure, we as hardcore fans, ones that read the DRF and Bloodhorse and frequent messege boards, we know what's been going on with Quality Road. But can you really expect all of those new fans to know? They really deserve to have their money taken?

If you buy a stock of a company that is trading at $2 that has already announced they are going bankrupt in a month (i.e. GM), therefore rendering the equity completely worthless, because someone told you to, do you deserve to lose your money?

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by philcski

If you buy a stock of a company that is trading at $2 that has already announced they are going bankrupt in a month (i.e. GM), therefore rendering the equity completely worthless, because someone told you to, do you deserve to lose your money?

If you are putting your money into anything, I would suppose that due dilligence would be in order. In that light, I understand your analogy. However, if they announced that they are going bankrupt, you know for sure that the stock is worthless. It's not a maybe/maybe not situation. In racing, you'd like to assume that what they said was true, that if he wasn't 100%, they wouldn't run him. So you'd hope that him being in the race would be a sign that he's 100%. Now, of course that is no guarantee that he'd win the race. You know going in that it's a gamble. The situation you described isn't a gamble. It's one with a known outcome.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

If you are putting your money into anything, I would suppose that due dilligence would be in order. In that light, I understand your analogy. However, if they announced that they are going bankrupt, you know for sure that the stock is worthless. It's not a maybe/maybe not situation. In racing, you'd like to assume that what they said was true, that if he wasn't 100%, they wouldn't run him. So you'd hope that him being in the race would be a sign that he's 100%. Now, of course that is no guarantee that he'd win the race. You know going in that it's a gamble. The situation you described isn't a gamble. It's one with a known outcome.

You had it right before you continued on. The more due dilligence you do, the better chance you have to win. If some schmuck goes in there on the biggest day of the year, in which ALL information is known, and didn't know say Quality Road was running with a bar shoe when it was plastered all over the newspapers, I plan on taking their money. End of story.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Reason #172 why people don't care about racing. On days like the Derby and the BC, there are a good number of new fans that are coming to the track or watching for the first time. Sure, we as hardcore fans, ones that read the DRF and Bloodhorse and frequent messege boards, we know what's been going on with Quality Road. But can you really expect all of those new fans to know? They really deserve to have their money taken?

This whole " new fan " thing really confuses me. Are you suggesting that the people who are rolling into the track on Derby Day for their annual one day appearance are new fans?

" Their money taken? " What does that mean? Are you saying because they make infrequent appearances they should somehow be subsidized? Should they get their money back on losing bets because they don't frequent message boards or read Bloodhorse? Should investors who recently lost in the market get a refund if they dont read the Wall Street Journal?

If you are interested in this game to care enough to learn, you would know what is going on with a Quality Road. If you don't, you don't care, and are there to have a good time. If you cash a bet here or there, that's great, but you won't feel cheated because you didn't know that a horse had some physical issue you couldn't define anyway. And, frankly, if you are serious enough to be upset you didn't know this, you are reasonably likely to learn so as to understand the situation the next time it arises.

[sdjcom]

Originally Posted by Suffolk Shippers

If they didn't withdraw, and intended to run Saturday, and people went ahead and bet him knowing all that has gone on since the minute he stepped into the winners circle at the FLA Derby....then they deserve to have their money taken and served a cold dose of injustice. That's the beauty of parimutuel wagering, you can win foolish/uninformed people's money.

I agree with you for regular players,they should pay attention however on derby day you have thousands of people who bet the tip sheets and hype horses, for that one day. it's our premier race of the year and i feel no horse that's not 100% should run.