Synthetic to Dirt 'Improvers'

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Thanks all. Basically I'm trying to look into charecteristics or common traits amongst horses who struggled on synthetics but improved in noteworthy fashion to dirt. Do they have a visual trait common amongst them? Or.... etc.

Most are on the pace runners. The closers seem more likely to just be turf horses that take to the synthetics.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Most are on the pace runners. The closers seem more likely to just be turf horses that take to the synthetics.

Like Intangaroo, Tiago, and Zenyatta?

Honestly some horses are going to take to it and some are not, I dont think style means much.

[Thunder Gulch]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Like Intangaroo, Tiago, and Zenyatta?

Honestly some horses are going to take to it and some are not, I dont think style means much.

Bingo...some do, some don't. You just can't know for sure until it's attempted under race conditions.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Like Intangaroo, Tiago, and Zenyatta?

Honestly some horses are going to take to it and some are not, I dont think style means much.

I don't buy that Zenyatta and Intangaroo moved up much on the dirt, both are G1 winners on the synthetics. It is nothing like the difference with Hystericalady when she goes from synthetic to dirt. Tiago has always been hit or miss, he did run third in the BC Classic on synthetic. It of course isn't going to apply in all cases, that's why I said most.

[slotdirt]

Tiago's best race to date was probably at Oaklawn Park, was it not?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Tiago's best race to date was probably at Oaklawn Park, was it not?

Probably. I still don't entirely get that figure. He went 9 furlongs in 1:50.34 and got a 110 Beyer. Zenyatta went 8.5 in 1:42.64 and got a 104 Beyer. That just seems strange to me but without the full card or knowing the pars there I don't really know what went on with it.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Probably. I still don't entirely get that figure. He went 9 furlongs in 1:50.34 and got a 110 Beyer. Zenyatta went 8.5 in 1:42.64 and got a 104 Beyer. That just seems strange to me but without the full card or knowing the pars there I don't really know what went on with it.

Just looked into it and the time was later corrected from 1:50.34 to 1:48.60.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Reporting for Duty was 3rd beaten 6 in that Oaklawn Park handicap - he got bought up and has been drubbed a couple of times in Saudi Arabia.

Tiago had already won the Santa Anita Derby - and was 3rd in the Belmont Stakes in a race where he got no pace at all before ever racing on a synthetic track.

He's basically about the same on both surfaces.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Like Intangaroo, Tiago, and Zenyatta?

Honestly some horses are going to take to it and some are not, I dont think style means much.

None of those horses were better on dirt than synthetic.

The lousy Brownie Points was 2nd to Zenyatta in the Apple Blossom.

Closers with turf oriented pedigrees make the worst syn to dirt projections.

[Bobby Fischer]

You look at the amount of turf a horse has in it's pedigree.