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Old 04-16-2009, 10:41 AM
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well we have to see if officaly dunkirk gets in after this weekend's races 1st i beleive and my guess is that bafferet is not pushing him to committ because bob has a pretty stong plan B , let's see what happens after the weekend stakes races and where dunkirk will offically end up on the list
Gets in? He's 15th on most lists right now. He's in. Hell... Mr. Hot Stuff is pretty much in.

Ron Anderson told Haskin yesterday they will wait to see the Dunkirk workout Saturday. Pletcher has Prado lined up as back-up for Dunkirk if Gomez goes Pioneer. And if they were absolutely forced to make a decision this second, it apparently would be with Baffert.
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Old 04-16-2009, 10:54 AM
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Gets in? He's 15th on most lists right now. He's in. Hell... Mr. Hot Stuff is pretty much in.

Ron Anderson told Haskin yesterday they will wait to see the Dunkirk workout Saturday. Pletcher has Prado lined up as back-up for Dunkirk if Gomez goes Pioneer. And if they were absolutely forced to make a decision this second, it apparently would be with Baffert.
Steve - from the looks of it they may not get 20 in anyway

who rides POTN if garett goes with Todd?
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Old 04-16-2009, 11:06 AM
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Steve - from the looks of it they may not get 20 in anyway

who rides POTN if garett goes with Todd?
thats really wishful thinking, i can't remember the last time they didn't have a full field in the derby, minus late scratches

as far as POTN go's..........there's always that first ballot HOF that everyone on this board loves............Joel Rosario, just don't tell him he's gonna be on a low odds horse, he'll never give an honest ride the way he does those 15-1 shots


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Old 04-16-2009, 11:08 AM
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who rides POTN if garett goes with Todd?
Supposedly Victor Espinoza.
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Old 04-16-2009, 11:09 AM
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Ron Anderson told Haskin yesterday they will wait to see the Dunkirk workout Saturday. Pletcher has Prado lined up as back-up for Dunkirk if Gomez goes Pioneer. And if they were absolutely forced to make a decision this second, it apparently would be with Baffert.
There's been a lot of discussion about how Dunkirk looked after the Florida Derby. Do you think Anderson's current thinking is a product of (a) not sure how Dunkirk's holding up; (b) as a rider based on West Coast, he's better off sticking with Baffert; (c) POTN is the better Derby candidate; or (d) some or none of these.
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Old 04-16-2009, 11:12 AM
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if Gomez goes Pioneer. And if they were absolutely forced to make a decision this second, it apparently would be with Baffert.
No disrespect to Prado, but I'd rather have Dominguez if I was choosing a rider for Dunkirk. Then again if Stu Eliott or Jose Santos can find the winner's circle for the derby, perhaps all this Jockey stuff is overrated anyway.
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Old 04-16-2009, 11:18 AM
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No disrespect to Prado, but I'd rather have Dominguez if I was choosing a rider for Dunkirk. Then again if Stu Eliott or Jose Santos can find the winner's circle for the derby, perhaps all this Jockey stuff is overrated anyway.
a lot of it is - usually the horse makes the jockey , Stewart Ellitot rode 3 great races in the triple crown stakes , it wasn't his fault that bailey and whoever (i can't remember) rode rock hard ten went on a sucicde mission to take down smarty jones

the great jd bailey never got to ride a mark hennig horse again after that race and stewy didn't get to go down in history with some of the other triple crown winning jocks
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Old 04-16-2009, 11:28 AM
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a lot of it is - usually the horse makes the jockey , Stewart Ellitot rode 3 great races in the triple crown stakes , it wasn't his fault that bailey and whoever (i can't remember) rode rock hard ten went on a sucicde mission to take down smarty jones

the great jd bailey never got to ride a mark hennig horse again after that race and stewy didn't get to go down in history with some of the other triple crown winning jocks
That's been debated before, long & hard...Long story short Bailey and Hennig told everyone before the race what their intentions were, that is why Hennig blew him out in 46 and change. If I am wrong someone will correct me but I'm sure even with a memory as bad as mine, I can recall the Eddington saga.
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Old 04-16-2009, 11:30 AM
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That's been debated before, long & hard...Long story short Bailey and Hennig told everyone before the race what their intentions were, that is why Hennig blew him out in 46 and change. If I am wrong someone will correct me but I'm sure even with a memory as bad as mine, I can recall the Eddington saga.
then if bailey did what he was told why did he never ride for mark again ?
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Old 04-16-2009, 11:35 AM
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I think Pletcher should go with Jorge Chavez if Gomez opts off.

He has more Derbies than GG has Triple Crown victories combined and his confidence is soaring riding the hair off these maidens and claimers every day.

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I think Pletcher should go with Jorge Chavez if Gomez opts off.

He has more Derbies than GG has Triple Crown victories combined and his confidence is soaring riding the hair off these maidens and claimers every day.

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When Chavez pulls-out that whip in shotgun-like fashion he'll scared be out of his mind.
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Is not being able to ride for Mark Hennig anymore a bad thing?
stupid post of the day alert?
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Old 04-16-2009, 11:49 AM
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Coming from you, that's an honor. Nothing against Hennig, but I must be forgetting all of the stakes horses Bailey missed out on riding. Who were they?

Eddington did win from off the pace the next year in a g1 so he did miss out on that one

but your reason must be the reason why , henning stinks, his horses stink, and that is why after the belmont Jerry decided not to take anymore mounts offered to him!

maybe to clear things up Steve can get the owners of Eddington on the show and ask them what they thought of JD's ride in the belmont?
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a lot of it is - usually the horse makes the jockey , Stewart Ellitot rode 3 great races in the triple crown stakes , it wasn't his fault that bailey and whoever (i can't remember) rode rock hard ten went on a sucicde mission to take down smarty jones.
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Just heard from Hammerle that the 'Espinoza on' Pioneer buzz is at a fever pitch as of this morning at Santa Anita...
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Just heard from Hammerle that the 'Espinoza on' Pioneer buzz is at a fever pitch as of this morning at Santa Anita...

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