California two best 3yo's dirt projections...

[tjfla]

Well it didnt look like he was ready to run another 8f but looked good standing there.

Still a concern would be the DIRT for me even tho he is bred for it

PTN does not do anything for me at all

[ateamstupid]

I just hate The Pamplemousse's stride and will not be using him. As for Pioneerof the Nile, it's not so much that he debuted on turf that's a red flag. Rather, it's that despite his NY connections, he wasn't entered in any of the east coast dirt stakes for two-year-olds. Not only that, he went straight from turf to synthetic, then shipped out west for more synthetic, where Zayat had previously made a big show of not running his horses, and stayed there. It's one thing to debut a horse on turf. It's another to run twice on turf, then go to synthetic, then ship across the country to continue running on synthetic when the rest of your stock is running here, on dirt.

[SOREHOOF]

I think overall the 3yo competition on the west coast is pretty weak compared to what's running on the east coast regardless of the surface.

[Diver67]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I just hate The Pamplemousse's stride and will not be using him. As for Pioneerof the Nile, it's not so much that he debuted on turf that's a red flag. Rather, it's that despite his NY connections, he wasn't entered in any of the east coast dirt stakes for two-year-olds. Not only that, he went straight from turf to synthetic, then shipped out west for more synthetic, where Zayat had previously made a big show of not running his horses, and stayed there. It's one thing to debut a horse on turf. It's another to run twice on turf, then go to synthetic, then ship across the country to continue running on synthetic when the rest of your stock is running here, on dirt.

Zayat sent a bunch of horses to California last fall after they split with Bill Mott. Baffert and Mike Mitchell both have several, so it isn't as if POTN was a special "hey this horse can't run on dirt" case. Its possible Zayat wanted to get their potential Derby horse in Baffert's hands. (He's also got their Zensational, who looked crazy fast good in his debut.)

[smuthg]

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...s?dayEvening=D

he looks a bit more tired than I remembered, but not that bad...

[Scav]

Originally Posted by smuthg

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...s?dayEvening=D

he looks a bit more tired than I remembered, but not that bad...

It figures they cut it off right at the point that I looked at the screen and said to myself "Play against this horse next time"