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Old 03-16-2009, 02:36 PM
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Can't wait for Dunkirk to get 2nd in the Florida Derby and be shut out of the Derby field for one of these cows.
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Old 03-16-2009, 02:39 PM
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I hope Agente Parmigiano wins and runs, just because of his name.
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Old 03-16-2009, 04:28 PM
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at a glance, Close Alliance has a pedigree that wouldn't be horrible for 9 or 10 on the dirt =
b c Gone West (USA) — Shoogle (USA) (A.P. Indy (USA))

good footnotes too for a win in his only race = "Pushed along briefly early, in touch, headway 2f out, soon every chance, led entering final furlong, ran on well, in command near finish"

EDIT - he actually looked good on video too. http://www.attheraces.com/search.asp...lliance&type=H

Is this race open to American shippers?

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Old 03-16-2009, 09:33 PM
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at a glance, Close Alliance has a pedigree that wouldn't be horrible for 9 or 10 on the dirt =
b c Gone West (USA) — Shoogle (USA) (A.P. Indy (USA))

good footnotes too for a win in his only race = "Pushed along briefly early, in touch, headway 2f out, soon every chance, led entering final furlong, ran on well, in command near finish"

EDIT - he actually looked good on video too. http://www.attheraces.com/search.asp...lliance&type=H

Is this race open to American shippers?
Dream Empress?
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Old 03-17-2009, 12:00 PM
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Old 03-17-2009, 12:33 PM
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Redding Colliery ran a couple of OK tries in Dubai and Close Alliance did look good late that day.
Because there is an actual "flat season" in Europe, the trainers know how to leg them up off of works. Look at the G1 guineas on our Derby day. Many of them are making their first or second start of the year in that very important G1.
The Poly racing is generally far below the turf racing in Britain. I might look to see if any improved from turf to Poly and figure that they might move up more on dirt, if they are dirt bred horses.

As for one of these keeping someone out, so be it. Every US based trainer knew that there might be only 19 berths in the Derby this year. If they couldn't get to the graded earnings threshhold, it is their own fault. They chose an allowance instead of the FOY (or other stake) for Dunkirk and put all his graded stakes "eggs" into one basket. It's the risk you take.

As for some owner sending some busted up nag to the Derby, I doubt it would happen. For one thing, as big as the Derby is to us, to the Brits, it's a nice little jaunt, fun to be part of, but not the be-all and end-all of the racing world. If the winner isn't ready to run his best race in KY, they would probably just skip it. (If I owned the winner and he came up bad after the race, I'd just ask Churchill if maybe I could make the trip, sans horse.) After all, our "Derby day" is their Guineas Day and that's a pretty big event there.

I do wonder if it's permitted to ship a US based horse there for this as a sure way to lock in a Derby spot. If so, THEN I do think you'd see a nag getting in.
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Old 03-17-2009, 12:47 PM
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Have to say, the more I've thought about this zany concept, the more I like it.
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Old 03-16-2009, 09:36 PM
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Can't wait for Dunkirk to get 2nd in the Florida Derby and be shut out of the Derby field for one of these cows.
Well said. It's nauseating that one of those pigs might keep out a deserving horse. I mean, if Dunkirk loses the Fla Derby by a whisker he won't belong in the Derby over the winner of a meaningless Polytrack race on a Wednesday.

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Thoro-Graph offering up the sheets on the Kempton horses as part of their introduction of UK figs...

http://www.thorograph.com/ROTW/20090...45.kempton.pdf

Based on the speed nums, there's actually a couple in this bizarre thing that look like they could be OK horses. 10 of the 14 are making their first start of the year in this...
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Old 03-17-2009, 10:41 AM
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Wow, so much love on this thread!

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Thoro-Graph offering up the sheets on the Kempton horses . 10 of the 14 are making their first start of the year in this...
To be fair though the flat season is basically March to November.

edit - Hey Brock, wheres Hanagan? Thought he'd have the Spring of Fame mount.

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Old 03-17-2009, 08:36 AM
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Can't wait for Dunkirk to get 2nd in the Florida Derby and be shut out of the Derby field for one of these cows.
No sympathy whatsoever. No, I'm not looking forward to one of these getting to the gate in the Derby, but if Dunkirk doesn't make it on earnings, it's not these guy's fault. If Dunkirk's connections want to qualify, either win the Florida Derby, or run him back in the five weeks between it and the Ky Derby. Simple as that.
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Old 03-17-2009, 10:16 AM
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Even more nauseating is that the winner of this race gets $100,000 for just running in the Kentucky Derby. So they could throw the horse with his leg falling off into the starting gate and have him run 10 feet before pulling up and they'll collect $100,000 just for showing up.
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Old 03-17-2009, 10:31 AM
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Even more nauseating is that the winner of this race gets $100,000 for just running in the Kentucky Derby. So they could throw the horse with his leg falling off into the starting gate and have him run 10 feet before pulling up and they'll collect $100,000 just for showing up.
I think that money helps with the entry fees for the race, etc...
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Old 03-17-2009, 10:35 AM
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I think that money helps with the entry fees for the race, etc...
OK, so $50K to enter but still gives you $50K minus travel expenses to throw a gimp horse in the starting gate.
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