Giant Oak wins the Derby..

[Lastkidpickedingymclass]

Originally Posted by GBBob

In the spirit of threads past, and promising not to Casino Drive this horse to oblivion, I'm going out on a limb..

Distance is not an issue and is cool with the track.
Prado and horse did everything possibly wrong last race.
Horse has not had a fair trip since AP '08.
Chris Block will get it done

I like the horse, and was pulling for him in his last, but what would make him more likely to have a fair trip in a 20 horse Derby field ?

[dellinger63]

Prado messed him up twice. Go back and watch his lawn race. Keep him back, go wide if necessary and let him stretch. He may be perfect Belmont dist. Secretariat at Arl being a backup and maybe a cinch.

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Prado messed him up twice. Go back and watch his lawn race. Keep him back, go wide if necessary and let him stretch. He may be perfect Belmont dist. Secretariat at Arl being a backup and maybe a cinch.

You might want to wait and see what 3yo's ship over from Europe before declaring the Secretariat to be a backup or a cinch.

Those Grade One grass races with Dermot Weld and Aidan O'Brien runners usually don't come up too easy for an Illinois-bred, Team Block or not.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Scurlogue Champ

You might want to wait and see what 3yo's ship over from Europe before declaring the Secretariat to be a backup or a cinch.

Those Grade One grass races with Dermot Weld and Aidan O'Brien runners usually don't come up too easy for an Illinois-bred, Team Block or not.

We're talking Secretariat not Million

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

We're talking Secretariat not Million

I'm aware, look at the top two finishers from last year.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Scurlogue Champ

I'm aware, look at the top two finishers from last year.

You under estimate the local effect. I know some will run on the course to help an IL bred.

[Bobby Fischer]

Seems like a natural for the Blue Grass Stakes at Keeneland.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Scurlogue Champ

You might want to wait and see what 3yo's ship over from Europe before declaring the Secretariat to be a backup or a cinch.

Those Grade One grass races with Dermot Weld and Aidan O'Brien runners usually don't come up too easy for an Illinois-bred, Team Block or not.

I think you are greatly overestimated the Euros in last years race and overestimated the talent of the field. Weld and O'Brien do not send 'nut' horses for that race. Winchester was 'ok' and just beat a very bad bunch. Nothing has come out of that race and Winchester didn't do anything afterwards (I know it was only a couple races)

I know it is hard to estimate but if you put a 3 year old Giant Oak in that race against Winchester last year, Giant Oak would dust that horse.

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by Scav

I think you are greatly overestimated the Euros in last years race and overestimated the talent of the field. Weld and O'Brien do not send 'nut' horses for that race. Winchester was 'ok' and just beat a very bad bunch. Nothing has come out of that race and Winchester didn't do anything afterwards (I know it was only a couple races)

I know it is hard to estimate but if you put a 3 year old Giant Oak in that race against Winchester last year, Giant Oak would dust that horse.

That is terribly hard to estimate, not to mention ludicrous.

What is your basis for this statement? Name one Secretariat winner since 2000 that Giant Oak could realistically run with based on his maiden victory and eighth place finish in the Bourbon at Keeneland. Is it just speculation of how good he could be?

Arlington Park based horses and Chicago horses in general are subpar.

The facility is really nice, and there are a lot of flowers and people picking up trash, but the purses and quality of runner leaves something to be desired.

Blackberry Road II Electric Boogaloo.

[The Devil]

Nice

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Prado messed him up twice. Go back and watch his lawn race. Keep him back, go wide if necessary and let him stretch. He may be perfect Belmont dist. Secretariat at Arl being a backup and maybe a cinch.

Usually speed horses win the Belmont

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

Usually speed horses win the Belmont

I think Jazil is fast too, but DrugS might disagree.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

Usually speed horses win the Belmont

Like Birdstone.

[dellinger63]

My thinking is w/his pedigree he shouldn't like dist, at least on his dams side. He's a freak. Watch his first race. Green as heck but?

[pick4]

Giant Oak gets has trip problems in 10 horse field. Why would it be different in a 20 horse field?

This horse will probably be a sucessful grass horse if the he stays sound.