Worth a Thought?

[blackthroatedwind]

King Glorious posted this to incite a discussion and raise people's ire. Even he knows the entire premise of his post is patently absurd.

Einstein is, however, a really neat horse worthy of recognition. He's overcome issues for years and is a horse of true quality on both turf and dirt ( better on turf ). His race at Fair Grounds early last year was spectacular. He should be considered Versatile Horse of the Year.

He would have drowned Big Brown on the turf when he was at his best.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

King Glorious posted this to incite a discussion and raise people's ire. Even he knows the entire premise of his post is patently absurd.

Einstein is, however, a really neat horse worthy of recognition. He's overcome issues for years and is a horse of true quality on both turf and dirt ( better on turf ). His race at Fair Grounds early last year was spectacular. He should be considered Versatile Horse of the Year.

He would have drowned Big Brown on the turf when he was at his best.

Do you think he's an attorney?

As for Einstein drowning Big Brown on turf, Big Brown only had two starts on turf, one as a two year old. It's possible he had room for improvement had he run as a four or five year old.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

King Glorious posted this to incite a discussion and raise people's ire. Even he knows the entire premise of his post is patently absurd.

Einstein is, however, a really neat horse worthy of recognition. He's overcome issues for years and is a horse of true quality on both turf and dirt ( better on turf ). His race at Fair Grounds early last year was spectacular. He should be considered Versatile Horse of the Year.

He would have drowned Big Brown on the turf when he was at his best.

To incite discussion, yes. To raise ire, absolutely not. Let me ask you something though in all seriousness. You say he would have drowned Big Brown on the turf at his best. I agree with you here. Between Einstein and Curlin, which of them beat the single best opponent on dirt, in your opinion? I say Einstein did when he beat Commentator.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

To incite discussion, yes. To raise ire, absolutely not. Let me ask you something though in all seriousness. You say he would have drowned Big Brown on the turf at his best. I agree with you here. Between Einstein and Curlin, which of them beat the single best opponent on dirt, in your opinion? I say Einstein did when he beat Commentator.

I didn't mean any of it in a bad way. Raising people's ire while inciting a discussion is a good thing.

I don't really agree.....as the good Commentator, so to speak, didn't show up. Believe me, I have problems with both Curlin ( this year ) and Big Brown, but each ran races better than anything Einstein ran. Big Brown's Florida Derby and KY Derby easily eclipsed anything Einstein did, and they were BIG races, and Curlin's Dubai World Cup, Woodward and Jockey Club were all better races. Frankly, I'm not sure any race Einstein ran on the turf compared particularly favorably to his second in the Man o War. Maybe his 2nd at Keeneland to the perfect trip fraud Kip Deville.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I didn't mean any of it in a bad way. Raising people's ire while inciting a discussion is a good thing.

I don't really agree.....as the good Commentator, so to speak, didn't show up. Believe me, I have problems with both Curlin ( this year ) and Big Brown, but each ran races better than anything Einstein ran. Big Brown's Florida Derby and KY Derby easily eclipsed anything Einstein did, and they were BIG races, and Curlin's Dubai World Cup, Woodward and Jockey Club were all better races. Frankly, I'm not sure any race Einstein ran on the turf compared particularly favorably to his second in the Man o War. Maybe his 2nd at Keeneland to the perfect trip fraud Kip Deville.

See, I agree with you that both of them ran better races than Einstein's best race. I agree on Curlin's Dubai race but I think the Woodward and JCGC were mediocre. The Foster was better for me and he just so happened to toy with Einstein in that race. Curlin's grass race may have been better than all of Einstein's races too although if pressed, I'd probably go with Einstein at Keeneland as well. For these reasons, Curlin would be placed higher on my ballot than Einstein would be. So would Big Brown. So would Zenyatta. So would Raven's Pass, who would get my top vote. Commentator also would have been placed ahead of him until last weekend.

[cakes44]

I kind of figured you wanted to put a name on a hypothetical debate, so Einstein was the one who people would remember and fit the argument. That is why I think that any horse who gets trounced twice like Einstein did in the Million and the Donn deserves much consideration for HOY.