Henny Hughes

[blackthroatedwind]

While noticing how that awesome 3-5 shot was moving, while running almost the identical time that High Finance ran earlier in the card ( actually it was .01 seconds slower ), did anyone bother to actually watch the race objectively?

Perhaps it would be worth watching the head on of the start. Mach Ride stumbled so badly that he literally almost fell down. That speed horse then dropped completely out of the race ( often happens when a horse stumbles that badly as he is completely shocked ). Then when rallying to even then what would have been a certain second place finish he was sawed off when trying to split horses and was forced to alter course and rerally inside. Even with all that he barely missed second.

Would he have beaten the recently annointed " best sprinter in the country "? It's debatable....but let me put it this way.....I doubt Commentator is losing a lot of sleep tonight.

Henny Hughes is a nice horse, may even turn out to be an exceptional horse, but try watching the ENTIRE race objectively and then try to objectively put the race into perspective with some other performances today.

At least we saw one thing conclusively....Songster is a total bum. But, hey, we already knew that.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

While noticing how that awesome 3-5 shot was moving, while running almost the identical time that High Finance ran earlier in the card ( actually it was .01 seconds slower ), did anyone bother to actually watch the race objectively?

Perhaps it would be worth watching the head on of the start. Mach Ride stumbled so badly that he literally almost fell down. That speed horse then dropped completely out of the race ( often happens when a horse stumbles that badly as he is completely shocked ). Then when rallying to even then what would have been a certain second place finish he was sawed off when trying to split horses and was forced to alter course and rerally inside. Even with all that he barely missed second.

Would he have beaten the recently annointed " best sprinter in the country "? It's debatable....but let me put it this way.....I doubt Commentator is losing a lot of sleep tonight.

Henny Hughes is a nice horse, may even turn out to be an exceptional horse, but try watching the ENTIRE race objectively and then try to objectively put the race into perspective with some other performances today.

At least we saw one thing conclusively....Songster is a total bum. But, hey, we already knew that.

Why did you assume that you were the only one here that watched the race objectively?

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Why did you assume that you were the only one here that watched the race objectively?

Well one things for sure, Songster's figure plumetted today, just like the rest of the horses in TA's barn this meet. I'm waiting for his snappy response to that one. Good thing for TA that bern is in his barn because with all that nice horseflesh there besides him, hes got no wins besides Bern. His ROI this meet is laughable as well. Lets see now, hmm, 21 starters, about 6 bucks back on 42 dollars in wagers, hmm. Tragic, is the only word I have for it.
As far as Mach was going to beat Henny, only in dreamland he was. In reality Henny was making his 2nd start in about 10 months and came home a little slow after a blistering pace duel.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Why did you assume that you were the only one here that watched the race objectively?

I certainly was based on the comments in this thread. To discuss this race, and gush over Henny Hughes, while failing to even mention Mach Ride really says it all.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I certainly was based on the comments in this thread. To discuss this race, and gush over Henny Hughes, while failing to even mention Mach Ride really says it all.

Mach Ride looks like a very nicely developing colt. I didn't figure he'd be a real threat to beat Henny today, even with his misadventure at the start.

To answer your question as to whether he could have beaten Henny with a clean start, I don't see that as debatable, he would not have. Too much emphasis is often given in my opinion to the real effect of the bad start.

[Danzig]

mach ride has an excuse..but i wouldn't call it objective analysis to point out that the lone speed was taken out of his game. sounds more like pointing out the obvious. as to whether he gets closer to the win if he gets a clean break, well that's pure speculation.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

mach ride has an excuse..but i wouldn't call it objective analysis to point out that the lone speed was taken out of his game. sounds more like pointing out the obvious. as to whether he gets closer to the win if he gets a clean break, well that's pure speculation.

It's all speculation....isn't it?

He was never " lone speed ", and his connections made it obvious they were rating him, something that could have been easily accomplished from his outside post. He wasn't " taken out of his game ", he was stunned by almost going down at the start, and took himself out of the race thereafter. Furthermore, as anyone that actually watched the race could have seen, he was completely stymied and squeezed out when attempting to rally between horses into the stretch, and was forced to severly alter course and rally inside of horses, something which is very difficult to do.

The point is that somehow NONE of this was pointed out in this misguided lovefest which leads anyone who actually watched the entire race to believe that nobody involved is anything other than result oriented and oblivious to what is REALLY going on.

Larger gaps than today's have been made up when the contestants actually get comparable trips. If you don't understand that then you are doomed to a lifetime of poor wagering choices. Better for me.

[sumitas]

when a competitor comes out of the gate on all fours, just cool the accolades ok.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It's all speculation....isn't it?

He was never " lone speed ", and his connections made it obvious they were rating him, something that could have been easily accomplished from his outside post. He wasn't " taken out of his game ", he was stunned by almost going down at the start, and took himself out of the race thereafter. Furthermore, as anyone that actually watched the race could have seen, he was completely stymied and squeezed out when attempting to rally between horses into the stretch, and was forced to severly alter course and rally inside of horses, something which is very difficult to do.

The point is that somehow NONE of this was pointed out in this misguided lovefest which leads anyone who actually watched the entire race to believe that nobody involved is anything other than result oriented and oblivious to what is REALLY going on.

Larger gaps than today's have been made up when the contestants actually get comparable trips. If you don't understand that then you are doomed to a lifetime of poor wagering choices. Better for me.

Please show us misguided clods the way oh great one. Once again, watched the race over and over, including the head on. Not a lovefest just an opinion.

Here is what I feel REALLY went on here. mach ride was shocked at the beginning of the race and lost ground which he made up quickly late. What you fail to realize is that if he were to have broke cleanly and was able to run up closer to the pace, it would have required much more energy from him in the early part of the race, which means he wouldn't have had the required energy for the kick that we saw yesterday. Notice the other horses that had run up with Henny near the lead. In the stretch they were done. The end result in my opinion is that Mach Ride would have finished roughly the same amount of beaten lengths behind Henny Hughes even with a clean getaway. Talk about poor wagering choices, betting horses that get bad starts and assuming that a clean break moves them way up is a big underlay. In a race with an overly hot pace, a missed break will actually move a horse forward. It's counterintuitive but that's what makes it a play to watch for.

It is just opinion on here, but it doesn't mean that others with different opinions than yours are in a love fest or are misguided. You obviously needed Mach Ride real bad yesterday which is fine. Just spare me the condescension.