Tips/Thoughts on Breeders' Cup tickets this year?

[Round Pen]

Why is it a Joke, it was a great Day of racing.

As far as Track records these are some of the best horses in the world in there respective divisions.
And do you really think if SA would have had there old dirt track they would been running any slower. SA would have had the track as hard as the the Santa Monica Free Way. Oh I forgot it was like that everyday anyway. IF you remember 10k claimers would run 108 and change everyday on the old dirt track.

THere were great story lines every where.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Round Pen

Why is it a Joke, it was a great Day of racing.

As far as Track records these are some of the best horses in the world in there respective divisions.
And do you really think if SA would have had there old dirt track they would been running any slower. SA would have had the track as hard as the the Santa Monica Free Way. Oh I forgot it was like that everyday anyway. IF you remember 10k claimers would run 108 and change everyday on the old dirt track.

THere were great story lines every where.

The track is simply too fast. Look at the times from the first 2 races which were not the best horses in the world. Read what I said again. If this track was a dirt track and the times were this fast people would be absolutely freaking out.The filly sprint was won by a dead closer who won by 4 and they shaded 120. The only filly I ever remember shading 120 ever was Melair and Ventura while a nice filly aint no Melair.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The track is simply too fast. Look at the times from the first 2 races which were not the best horses in the world. Read what I said again. If this track was a dirt track and the times were this fast people would be absolutely freaking out.The filly sprint was won by a dead closer who won by 4 and they shaded 120. The only filly I ever remember shading 120 ever was Melair and Ventura while a nice filly aint no Melair.

Two races for optional $40k claimers went in 1:14.26 and 1:14.88

F/M Sprint in 1:19.90

Juvenile Fillies in 1:40.99, fastest ever for the event. Faster than any of the males ever in the Juvenile.

Distaff in 1:46.85, second fastest ever behind only Inside Information's 1:46.15 which was done around one-turn at Belmont.

[Round Pen]

Sorry Cannon I must have been typing same time as you I had not seen your post before I sent mine. No Doubt it's very fast but the old SA track was extrememly fast too I think one of the big factors is that they have no Ideal how to slow it down. But you know if every horse that raced today comes back good and lives to fight again I can live with the track being that fast

[10 pnt move up]

time is really irrelevant isnt it, as long as the track is safe. The turf course all meet has been crazy fast, but safe, where is the thread about that?

I just wish the pro ride would stop producing such crazy winners and prices, todays Breeders Cup was brutal on form.

[Round Pen]

I just went back and did a little research here is the old track records at SA when it was a dirt course.

6f-107.1
6 1/2f-113.3
7f-120 flat
1 1/16th 139 flat
1 1/8-145.4


So in ernest the only race that went faster than any of the previous dirt records were the filly and mare sprint and to be exact it was .10 faster.

SO to me to say the day was a joke just because the track was to fast is completely out there. I really think the times would have been very comparible if the races would have been on the old SA dirt track

[Round Pen]

Here's a thought the old Dirt track record for a 1 1/4 was 157.4 set by the great Spectacular Bid now do you think the classic tomorrow will be Over or Under the old track record Mark.

My self I say they go slower

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Round Pen

Here's a thought the old Dirt track record for a 1 1/4 was 157.4 set by the great Spectacular Bid now do you think the classic tomorrow will be Over or Under the old track record Mark.

My self I say they go slower

slower, but it will be better then 2:00, but that happened from time to time with good horses.

[dellinger63]

not sure of that but let's see 6F

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Round Pen

Here's a thought the old Dirt track record for a 1 1/4 was 157.4 set by the great Spectacular Bid now do you think the classic tomorrow will be Over or Under the old track record Mark.

My self I say they go slower

If they go faster I will officially kill myself

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Round Pen

I just went back and did a little research here is the old track records at SA when it was a dirt course.

6f-107.1
6 1/2f-113.3
7f-120 flat
1 1/16th 139 flat
1 1/8-145.4


So in ernest the only race that went faster than any of the previous dirt records were the filly and mare sprint and to be exact it was .10 faster.

SO to me to say the day was a joke just because the track was to fast is completely out there. I really think the times would have been very comparible if the races would have been on the old SA dirt track

your argument would hold more water if they had been set by fillies on the same day.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Round Pen

I just went back and did a little research here is the old track records at SA when it was a dirt course.

6f-107.1
6 1/2f-113.3
7f-120 flat
1 1/16th 139 flat
1 1/8-145.4


So in ernest the only race that went faster than any of the previous dirt records were the filly and mare sprint and to be exact it was .10 faster.

SO to me to say the day was a joke just because the track was to fast is completely out there. I really think the times would have been very comparible if the races would have been on the old SA dirt track

Those old records also were set over the course of many years. Not all in one day. Look at the BC days at SA in the past:

1986
J-143 4/5
JF-143 1/5
S-108 2/5
D-201 1/5 (10f)
C-200 2/5

1993
J-142.99
JF-143.08
S-108.76
D-148.35
C-200.83

2003
J-143.62
JF-142.75
S-107.95
D-149.17
C-159.88

So you see that in the F/M Sprint, they went the 6f split today faster than all three previous BC finals times for the boys. You see that Stardom Bound went 1.76 seconds faster than every J or JF winner. You see that Zenyatta went 1.5 seconds faster than the next best Distaff winner. Now, to be fair, it's quite possible that Stardom Bound and Zenyatta could turn out to be all-time horses or at least better than the horses that ran those previous BC times. But it's more likely that the track was playing faster than it ever has than those horses all happened to run exceptionally fast horses all on the same day.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Those old records also were set over the course of many years. Not all in one day. Look at the BC days at SA in the past:

1986
J-143 4/5
JF-143 1/5
S-108 2/5
D-201 1/5 (10f)
C-200 2/5

1993
J-142.99
JF-143.08
S-108.76
D-148.35
C-200.83

2003
J-143.62
JF-142.75
S-107.95
D-149.17
C-159.88

So you see that in the F/M Sprint, they went the 6f split today faster than all three previous BC finals times for the boys. You see that Stardom Bound went 1.76 seconds faster than every J or JF winner. You see that Zenyatta went 1.5 seconds faster than the next best Distaff winner. Now, to be fair, it's quite possible that Stardom Bound and Zenyatta could turn out to be all-time horses or at least better than the horses that ran those previous BC times. But it's more likely that the track was playing faster than it ever has than those horses all happened to run exceptionally fast horses all on the same day.

I am just wondering why you are comparing pro ride times to previous dirt times, I think its pretty well established that they are not comparable.

[Round Pen]

King I understand that the Track is much faster and from what I understand the hotter it is the faster it gets. But my point is it was possible on the old dirt track for these horses to run the type of times that they ran today. it doesn't mean they would have but it was possible.

The 2 races for me tomorrow that are very interesting to me concerning time are the sprint and the classic. COuld the sprint run Sub 107 it's extremely possible. And the classic I am not going to be as dramatic and kill myself like Cannon but who knows the way the track was today, Could they run 158 and change absolutely but we will see. your thoughts on those 2 races and times tomorrow

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

time is really irrelevant isnt it, as long as the track is safe. The turf course all meet has been crazy fast, but safe, where is the thread about that?

I just wish the pro ride would stop producing such crazy winners and prices, todays Breeders Cup was brutal on form.

time is never irrelevant unless you are winning with a slow time (then you call it irrelevant)

the turf is usually fast because of dry weather

The sprint and Ladies classic and 2 yo fillies were hardly unformful. They were all won by logical horses with logical horses behind.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The sprint and Ladies classic and 2 yo fillies were hardly unformful. They were all won by logical horses with logical horses behind.

I am sure you know how sarcastic I was being

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I am sure you know how sarcastic I was being

I'm sorry, due to the inane postings from some around here lately i am never quite sure anymore. I mean a guy who actually has half a clue thinks wait a while ran a far better race that Forever together...