Tips/Thoughts on Breeders' Cup tickets this year?

[philcski]

I don't like Dynaforce at ALL. To me, there is nothing more dangerous than reasonably quality lone speed in a turf marathon/distance race, which she was in the Flower Bowl- and won't be here. Need proof? See stakes in the last month or so:

The Saranac
The KY Cup Turf
The Flower Bowl
The Glens Falls

How did said frontrunners do in their next start?? Not so good. 5th, 8th, [yet to run], 3rd (i think)

[CSC]

Originally Posted by philcski

I don't like Dynaforce at ALL. To me, there is nothing more dangerous than reasonably quality lone speed in a turf marathon/distance race, which she was in the Flower Bowl- and won't be here. Need proof? See stakes in the last month or so:

The Saranac
The KY Cup Turf
The Flower Bowl
The Glens Falls

How did said frontrunners do in their next start?? Not so good. 5th, 8th, [yet to run], 3rd (i think)

I think you have to use her, just incase for whatever reason Folk Opera who is stuck outside doesn't make the lead, on paper she should but as we know Jocks have minds of their own. Not that she needs the lead but Dynaforce may find herself on it and that makes her dangerous at the right odds.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I completely understand what you are saying. But aren't Dynaforce's races prior to that competitive?

Yes and no. Draw a line through the Glens Falls, no prob, 3 turns, small field with the lone speed as mentioned, but besides that she got ran down while clear in the Diana and got beat by Mauralakana facing a similar situation in the New York. Of course she can hit the board, it's the BC and unless it's Rick's Natural Star it's impossible to truly toss anyone with confidence but I think there's 5-6 in here I'd use over her and at 6-1 that's not a gamble I like.

Originally Posted by CSC

I think you have to use her, just incase for whatever reason Folk Opera who is stuck outside doesn't make the lead, on paper she should but as we know Jocks have minds of their own. Not that she needs the lead but Dynaforce may find herself on it and that makes her dangerous at the right odds.

If Folk Opera doesn't go, Halfway to Heaven does coming out of a mile race she led througout in on the straight.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by philcski

Yes and no. Draw a line through the Glens Falls, no prob, 3 turns, small field with the lone speed as mentioned, but besides that she got ran down while clear in the Diana and got beat by Mauralakana facing a similar situation in the New York. Of course she can hit the board, it's the BC and unless it's Rick's Natural Star it's impossible to truly toss anyone with confidence but I think there's 5-6 in here I'd use over her and at 6-1 that's not a gamble I like.



If Folk Opera doesn't go, Halfway to Heaven does coming out of a mile race she led througout in on the straight.

You were right Phil, Dynaforce ran poorly yesterday. The only consolation for me was she was 14/1 overlay.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by CSC

You were right Phil, Dynaforce ran poorly yesterday. The only consolation for me was she was 14/1 overlay.

ground was too firm for her. i said in a selections thread that she wouldn't like it.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Danzig

ground was too firm for her. i said in a selections thread that she wouldn't like it.

I'm not going to make any excuses, it was dissapointing. I did think she could be closer to the pace. But who knows, her race in the Diana was on firm ground I might add.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by CSC

I'm not going to make any excuses, it was dissapointing. I did think she could be closer to the pace. But who knows, her race in the Diana was on firm ground I might add.

not making an excuse for her, turfers can be pretty picky about their ground. i think a lot of people tend to ignore whether it was firm, good etc. and my pps show the diana was on good. the new yorker was on firm-but i don't know that a firm belmont surface is = to a firm santa anita surface. and a good sara to me would not equate to a good santa anita surface. i read somewhere that firm on all tracks isn't necessarily interchangable. it's why i took a stand against her.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Danzig

not making an excuse for her, turfers can be pretty picky about their ground. i think a lot of people tend to ignore whether it was firm, good etc. and my pps show the diana was on good. the new yorker was on firm-but i don't know that a firm belmont surface is = to a firm santa anita surface. and a good sara to me would not equate to a good santa anita surface. i read somewhere that firm on all tracks isn't necessarily interchangable. it's why i took a stand against her.

You are correct the form did list The Diana as good that day, which is why I look at the final times and not just listings, I find the rating of turf courses very subjective. Let's agree that the final time of 1:46 and change for 1 1/8 indicates there was not much cut in the ground that day.

[cakes44]

I still like Forever Together but I'm also maybe the only person on Earth who thinks the pace won't be that slow.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I hear ya. I thought she moved a bit early in the Diana, but I can see what you are saying. I just think if you like Mauralakana or Forever Together, isn't it kind of tough to separate the 3? Granted, Mauralkana's body of work is more impressive than Dynaforce, but they were separated by a neck when they faced each other. And Forever Together beat her 3/4's. Are you at all concerned with Forever Together's run not being as effective at 10 furlongs? I think she would have been better off in the mile.

A little, but then again 10F @ SA isn't 10F at Belmont/Saratoga- partially because of starting on the downhill and partially because of the pool table cut of the grass. Plus, her best race was arguably the Diana at 9F, which I absolutely loved.

Then again, Wait a While could run her best race and crush all three of them, making our for/against arguments moot. Or, we could get mushed by the guy that throws in horses because they get hyped on here!