Kent's Ride: Stride-by-stride

[pweizer]

Great work which should debunk many myths.

Paul

[GBBob]

I'd be curious to see Bid's or Justin's view of the images here. They may see it differently? Although I have felt from the beginning (after the race...not before) the horse wasn't winning that day, period

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Coa did his part, thats for sure. He kept Big Brown pinned behing D'Tara early, then pushed him out on the backstretch. With that said, you give Big Brown a dream trip from the outside and he still would have lost yesterday.

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

yes, Kent was going to move out but Coa said "oh no you don't" and he had to tap on the brakes behind DaTara, thats when Big Brown got a little rank.
then Kent was PO'd and bulled his way out bumping Anak Nakal.
it all happened within 4-5 seconds.

good documentation of what I've already described from merely watching the pan shots.

[SniperSB23]

While I see Coa working to prevent Kent from moving out I am not seeing Kent clearly trying to move outside as you suggest. Also, the rail looks awfully open in that last picture. Seems like a move up the rail to the lead is a heck of a lot better option for Kent than going outside at that point.

[The Bid]

No brainer to come up the rail. Hes a buffoon

[The Bid]

Not much bud, not with horses.

[The Bid]

Who says they are the best in the world Hoss? I would be curious to know who gives whomever you are speaking of the title of "best in the world". You, the media, a couple guys who live in a tackroom, who decides?

[The Bid]

Its not pointless you are the one who brought it up. I want to know whos the best Hoss, and why you think they are the best.

A bad ride is a bad ride. It doesnt take much to recognize when a jockey makes a bonehead decision, it happens a thousand times a day. When the rail is open and you have the fastest horse you go up the rail. I dont care how slow the horse breaks, you put them in a position to win. You do not win races taking a hold of a horse whos never been snatched up. You will make a horse rank, you will get a horse aggressive, and you will do what Dedumbeaux did, which is run last.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

With Big Brown throwing his head about, you want Desormeaux to try and come through the rail? I'm not seeing it.

I'll have to watch the headon replay again to judge whether it was a reasonable option. Tough to tell from a still frame to know exactly what was going on at that point. Just something I noticed, the rail is there and Kent is looking outside where there is nowhere to go.

[justindew]

Look, if someone can convince me that it was Big Brown's fault that he almost ran into Da Tara and then played bumper cars with Anak Nakal, as opposed to Kent's fault for not keeping the horse relaxed early and then waiting a moment or two in order to get out in the open, then I will retract my criticism of Kent and blame the horse.

I read Travis' work. Seems solid. But while it shows Big Brown was affected to some degree by Garcia and Coa, it still does not excuse Kent's actions, in my opinion. There was a period of time AFTER Garcia and Coa's actions where Big Brown was relaxed and had his space. He may not have been on the outside, but there is no reason to think Kent could not have waited a moment or two, and THEN made the move.

I think too much is being made of the fact that Big Brown "wants to be on the lead or in the clear."

We have all seen it a million times, at every level of the sport. Huge favorites encounter minimal trouble early, and then fail to fire. In Big Brown's case, the early and brief traffic trouble hurt him, and he was unable to recover, in my opinion. And it was Kent who failed to keep him out of trouble, even though others were trying to bother the horse. Kent did not have to act. But he did.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by justindew

There was a period of time AFTER Garcia and Coa's actions where Big Brown was relaxed and had his space. He may not have been on the outside, but there is no reason to think Kent could not have waited a moment or two, and THEN made the move.

So he waits, and Coa keeps him pinned. You don't "hope" they let you out when you're on the big favorite in a race, because they won't.

Big Brown was never settled until he got outside, which between at that point and the far turn, it was realized the horse was empty anyway.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

So he waits, and Coa keeps him pinned. You don't "hope" they let you out when you're on the big favorite in a race, because they won't.

Big Brown was never settled until he got outside, which between at that point and the far turn, it was realized the horse was empty anyway.

And in a 6 furlong race, that would be a problem. But at a mile and a half on the dirt, at some point, there's gonna be an opening. Look what happened in the Preakness. Edgar tried to pin him in, and Kent just calmly took Big Brown back and guided him to the outside. In the Belmont, there was nothing calm about Kent's move.

Also, this still doesn't explain the prostate exam that Big Brown almost performed on Da Tara.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You keep trying to be funny and it's not working. Please stop.

Ok Predator Jr.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Still not working. Try the Big Brown going up Da' Tara's ass joke again. No one has heard it yet.

Look how upset and personal you are getting about a friendly disagreement over a horse race. I mean, who does that?

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Still not working. Try the Big Brown going up Da' Tara's ass joke again. No one has heard it yet.

Hey did you hear the joke about BB goin up D'tara's ass ?

[Kasept]

OK.. Had enough... Had to edit this thread a piece... Stay to topic and away from the personality profiling/analysis please. Those that dislike each know who they are and should be able to avoid each other.