Prado on Casino Drive

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

I dont think Prado would risk his whole career to throw/not try in one race. If Prado gave CD a "questionable" ride a lot of trainers would never ride him again.

Yes, you can plainly see how it has affected Gomez's career...Hard Spun walks the shedrow faster than they went in the Belmont last year...

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

Yes, you can plainly see how it has affected Gomez's career...

Gomez didnt stiff HS. He just gave a bad ride. Cant really compare the 2 situations.

I think people are implying that because of the relationship between Prado/Dutrow, Prado might not try. I doubt Prado would be that stupid to jeopardize his whole future.

[philcski]

Anybody insinuating that Prado would stiff the ride on Casino Drive to try to beat Big Brown (or alternatively, to let Big Brown win) is really off base.


He isn't Jerry Bailey.

[deltagulf]

Originally Posted by philcski

Anybody insinuating that Prado would stiff the ride on Casino Drive to try to beat Big Brown (or alternatively, to let Big Brown win) is really off base.


He isn't Jerry Bailey.

aren't they here to win can't see prado doing anything funny. with the

world watching to see if b.b. can win.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Gomez didnt stiff HS. He just gave a bad ride. Cant really compare the 2 situations.

I think people are implying that because of the relationship between Prado/Dutrow, Prado might not try. I doubt Prado would be that stupid to jeopardize his whole future.

So you are saying that there isn't anyone else out there, besides me and probably Porter, that thinks it was more than just a bad ride? 115 and 1/5 for 3/4's with Hard Spun under a Santos-like stranglehold, watching Curlin the whole way and keeping him pinned down on the rail, moving whenever he moved, while Rags was able to run in the clear the whole way.

Remember, Gomez was Rags jock and Porter wouldn't let him out of the commitment after TAP announce she was going to run.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

So you are saying that there isn't anyone else out there, besides me and probably Porter, that thinks it was more than just a bad ride? 115 and 1/5 for 3/4's with Hard Spun under a Santos-like stranglehold, watching Curlin the whole way and keeping him pinned down on the rail, moving whenever he moved, while Rags was able to run in the clear the whole way.

Remember, Gomez was Rags jock and Porter wouldn't let him out of the commitment after TAP announce she was going to run.

Thinking like that is INSANE. Hard Spun was not gonna win that race on the lead. They tried to rate him....didnt work. You really think a top jock like Gomez is gonna throw a race on purpose? Do you know for a fact that Jones didnt tell Gomez to try and rate HS?

Crazy thinking.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Thinking like that is INSANE. Hard Spun was not gonna win that race on the lead. They tried to rate him....didnt work. You really think a top jock like Gomez is gonna throw a race on purpose? Do you know for a fact that Jones didnt tell Gomez to try and rate HS?

Crazy thinking.

Did you just hear hear yourself? Try and RATE Hard Spun? Seriously? The only chance the horse had was if HE got loose and forced everyone to come and get him. It was his ONLY chance. If there wasn't something up then it was the all-time worst ride by a guy who is considered a current world class jockey. How odd would that be?

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

Did you just hear hear yourself? Try and RATE Hard Spun? Seriously? The only chance the horse had was if HE got loose and forced everyone to come and get him. It was his ONLY chance. If there wasn't something up then it was the all-time worst ride by a guy who is considered a current world class jockey. How odd would that be?

Correct me if I am wrong...but didnt Hard Spun fail on the lead in The Derby going 1 1/4 ? How could he go 1 1/2 then on the lead. From what I remember they never rated him before The Belmont. Maybe..just maybe Jones knew his horse could not get the Belmont distance on the lead and wanted to try something different.

To suggest Gomez tried to lose on purpose is assinine.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Correct me if I am wrong...but didnt Hard Spun fail on the lead in The Derby going 1 1/4 ? How could he go 1 1/2 then on the lead. From what I remember they never rated him before The Belmont. Maybe..just maybe Jones knew his horse could not get the Belmont distance on the lead and wanted to try something different.

To suggest Gomez tried to lose on purpose is assinine.

Pace makes the race. He could have gone 1:13 and easily been on the lead in that Belmont. Off a relaxed 1:13 instead of a hard held 1:15 he would have had a much better chance of winning the race.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Again, you're forgetting that the reason they took Pino off was he was too aggressive in the Preakness. They switched to Gomez, who is a known strong finisher, but not exactly known for sending early. Didn't that sort of tell you what they were looking to do?

Yeah, he had a great deal of trouble making the lead 2 races earlier on Dream Rush.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You can't be serious. What does one have to do with the other? How can you completely avoid what I said and talk about another race?

The guy probably lost a bunch cahsing Hard Spun in The Belmont. Needs to blame somebody for his loss.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You can't be serious. What does one have to do with the other? How can you completely avoid what I said and talk about another race?

You said Gomez wasn't exactly known for sending early, right?

[hockey2315]

There's no way that Gomez blew that ride on purpose - but I disagree that rating was his best chance to win.

[booner]

What happened to Take coming to Belmont?

Of course, the obvious answer would be Prado's familiarity with Belmont Park; I was just wondering if something else happened.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by booner

What happened to Take coming to Belmont?

Of course, the obvious answer would be Prado's familiarity with Belmont Park; I was just wondering if something else happened.

Not sure but Vodka is now probable for the Yasuda Kinen (on the 8th) which could have had something to do with it.....

That's just speculation though.

[Bobby Fischer]

Prado knows how to get a good trip when he has a good horse.

Is skilled with the whip, but slow and deliberate.

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

Yes, you can plainly see how it has affected Gomez's career...Hard Spun walks the shedrow faster than they went in the Belmont last year...

yeah go-go is a good rider. but sometimes i question his rides. last years belmont was one of them. i'll admit i bet hardspun. but come on they were walking and he held that horse back. the horses advantage is his tactical speed. and why did the trainer change to begin with. Larry jones gets all these praises, but i don't know . pino was good with that horse.

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You seem to be forgetting that Prado rode the Preakness to win, like he was supposed to. He boxed in Big brown out of the first turn and Dutrow complained about it in the press. Prado is a pro, I doubt he'll do anything but give his best out there.

How did Prado box in BB? This is bull crap.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

He tried to - KJD was able to get outside - but at something of a cost.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

He tried to - KJD was able to get outside - but at something of a cost.

What did it cost him?