Vindication..........

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Is anyone as excited as me to see how his babies will run?

In fact, I am excited about this years freshman sires. Empire Maker, Sky Mesa, Mineshaft, Harlans Holiday--man what a crew that is. I love it. I am pumped.

[Scav]

Three of those are the nuts..Harlan's Holiday, take it easy

I doubt Sky Mesa's will be sound. Anything with Pulpit is questionable. But Empire Maker and Mineshaft, they are going to throw some serious runners

Originally Posted by Scav

Three of those are the nuts..Harlan's Holiday, take it easy

I doubt Sky Mesa's will be sound. Anything with Pulpit is questionable. But Empire Maker and Mineshaft, they are going to throw some serious runners

I got to see Sky Mesa at Three Chimneys and that horse is a monster. It dwarfed Smarty Jones and was almost just as big as Pint Given. In fact, Sky Mesa was bigger than Albert The Great.

[slotdirt]

Big horses don't always necessarily make great stallions. Cozzene is pretty small, IIRC, and how's he been at stud?

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Big horses don't always necessarily make great stallions. Cozzene is pretty small, IIRC, and how's he been at stud?

Oh I know. I was just amazed at how big Sky Mesa was. The only time I saw the horse was when won at 2 at Keeneland. I was just a little shocked is all.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Oh I know. I was just amazed at how big Sky Mesa was. The only time I saw the horse was when won at 2 at Keeneland. I was just a little shocked is all.

they show you dynaformer when you were @ 3 chim.? THAT is a big horse--everything is big!

Originally Posted by paisjpq

they show you dynaformer when you were @ 3 chim.? THAT is a big horse--everything is big!

No dynaformer was in a different barn. We saw Albert The Great, Smarty Jones, War Chant, Sky Mesa, Point Given and Yes Its True. We were lucky enough to see War Chant breed. Boy that was something I dont ever want to see again.

[slotdirt]

I remember thinking how f'ing small Smarty looked when I saw his Belmont in person. I know horses obviously fill out after their 3YO seasons, but still, he was a pretty little guy.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I got to see Sky Mesa at Three Chimneys and that horse is a monster. It dwarfed Smarty Jones and was almost just as big as Pint Given. In fact, Sky Mesa was bigger than Albert The Great.

not the size of the dog in the fight it's the size of the fight in the dog...

[dr. fager]

Anything from Unbridled is questionable too when it comes to soundness.

Originally Posted by dr.fager

Anything from Unbridled is questionable too when it comes to soundness.

Isnt that the truth and isnt that a shame as well.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Scav

Three of those are the nuts..Harlan's Holiday, take it easy

I doubt Sky Mesa's will be sound. Anything with Pulpit is questionable. But Empire Maker and Mineshaft, they are going to throw some serious runners

Well, Harlan's Holiday IS a 3 time G1 winner who won graded stakes races at ages 2, 3, and 4 and is out of an Affirmed mare. He might not be up there with Mineshaft and Vindication, but I would not rule him out as a potentially good stallion.

Originally Posted by miraja2

Well, Harlan's Holiday IS a 3 time G1 winner who won graded stakes races at ages 2, 3, and 4 and is out of an Affirmed mare. He might not be up there with Mineshaft and Vindication, but I would not rule him out as a potentially good stallion.

He's got a family to impress as well. The Princessnesian/Alanesian/Alablue clan is a classy one. Dont forget, Boldnesian was a product of this family and I firmly believe some families produce stallions, others just dont. I always like to see a proven stallion of top quality in the mix on the bottom side when looking at a stallion prospect.