Rasmussen Poll- Only 10% want to ban horse racing

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

I still don't think peta is useless. there always needs to be a balance and an organization like this brings these problems to light to those who wouldn't otherwise think about it.

LWM,

I'm sorry.. This is an outlandish comment. Do you really think the 'these problems' (whichever you're refering to) weren't being thought about?

Which ones?

The safer surface debate? That wasn't being thought about? PETA brought that to light did they? The industry hasn't been openly researching it and debating it the last 2-3 years?

The 'race horses older' debate? You mean the one that EVERY STUDY CONDUCTED proves is 100% wrong? And in fact proves that the opposite is true... that strenuous exercise and racing at 2 promotes soundness.

The 'breeding' debate? The one about brilliance v. stoutness that has been going on for... 100 years? That debate?

I'm very curious to know what you think was brought to light that isn't already under major focus from the industry currently.

PETA isn't a 'balance'.. it's a pack of extremists and terorists. And they're of no use to the racing industry. NONE. They will only turn off potenially interested parties with their lies and misrepresentations.

[TheSpyder]

Originally Posted by Kasept

LWM,

I'm sorry.. This is an outlandish comment. Do you really think the 'these problems' (whichever you're refering to) weren't being thought about?

Which ones?

The safer surface debate? That wasn't being thought about? PETA brought that to light did they? The industry hasn't been openly researching it and debating it the last 2-3 years?

The 'race horses older' debate? You mean the one that EVERY STUDY CONDUCTED proves is 100% wrong? And in fact proves that the opposite is true... that strenuous exercise and racing at 2 promotes soundness.

The 'breeding' debate? The one about brilliance v. stoutness that has been going on for... 100 years? That debate?

I'm very curious to know what you think was brought to light that isn't already under major focus from the industry currently.

PETA isn't a 'balance'.. it's a pack of extremists and terorists. And they're of no use to the racing industry. NONE. They will only turn off potenially interested parties with their lies and misrepresentations.

I think he was refering to what Coach said the other day....they do make a hell of a bread...besides that...nada.

Spyder

[DogsUp]

Originally Posted by Kasept

LWM,

I'm sorry.. This is an outlandish comment. Do you really think the 'these problems' (whichever you're refering to) weren't being thought about?

Which ones?

The safer surface debate? That wasn't being thought about? PETA brought that to light did they? The industry hasn't been openly researching it and debating it the last 2-3 years?

The 'race horses older' debate? You mean the one that EVERY STUDY CONDUCTED proves is 100% wrong? And in fact proves that the opposite is true... that strenuous exercise and racing at 2 promotes soundness.

The 'breeding' debate? The one about brilliance v. stoutness that has been going on for... 100 years? That debate?

I'm very curious to know what you think was brought to light that isn't already under major focus from the industry currently.

PETA isn't a 'balance'.. it's a pack of extremists and terorists. And they're of no use to the racing industry. NONE. They will only turn off potenially interested parties with their lies and misrepresentations.

Calling them terrorists is pretty harsh and I would think strongly about a recanter. Not every member of PETA is a terrorist. Every organization has crazy people and people who really care about the cause. Currently, PETA is trying to get legislation against hormones in out meat (which I am in favor of). Yes, they do some bad things and Yes, they do some good. But calling PETA has a whole a terrorist organization is childish and wrong.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by DogsUp

Calling them terrorists is pretty harsh and I would think strongly about a recanter. Not every member of PETA is a terrorist. Every organization has crazy people and people who really care about the cause. Currently, PETA is trying to get legislation against hormones in out meat (which I am in favor of). Yes, they do some bad things and Yes, they do some good. But calling PETA has a whole a terrorist organization is childish and wrong.

Respect your view... Appreciate the input.. But... They're terrotists and frauds operating under the guise of 'charity'...

Any organization that funds individuals responsible for fire-bombings of medical laboratories is in my book a terrorist organization or sympathizer. Their support of radical animal libertarian organizations is well-documented...

And I'm certainly not 'recanting' my criticism of this sad bunch of hypocrites and tax cheats.

[DogsUp]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Respect your view... Appreciate the input.. But... They're terrotists and frauds operating under the guise of 'charity'...

Any organization that funds individuals responsible for fire-bombings of medical laboratories is in my book a terrorist organization or sympathizer. Their support of radical animal libertarian organizations is well-documented...

And I'm certainly not 'recanting' my criticism of this sad bunch of hypocrites and tax cheats.

Then I guess you can say that the American Gov't are terrorists as well. I guess you can call the NYRA, NTRA and Breeders Cup terrorists as well. If you use this philosophy, almost all of us are terrorists.

[pgiaco]

Originally Posted by DogsUp

Then I guess you can say that the American Gov't are terrorists as well. I guess you can call the NYRA, NTRA and Breeders Cup terrorists as well. If you use this philosophy, almost all of us are terrorists.

That's a terrific comparison. I suggest decaf.

[DogsUp]

Originally Posted by pgiaco

That's a terrific comparison. I suggest decaf.

How so? I was basing this on the criteria given to me by the poster.

[pgiaco]

Originally Posted by DogsUp

How so? I was basing this on the criteria given to me by the poster.

Leaving politics and the US Govt. out of this, I don't see NYRA, NTRA or Breeder's Cup engaging in parallel activities such as fire bombing labs or pouring red paint on old ladies coats.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Their support of radical animal libertarian organizations is well-documented

They buy tickets to WNBA games?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

They buy tickets to WNBA games?

Have you ever considered applying to be a cheerleader?

[pointman]

As Ray Kerrison pointed out in the NY Post today, since 1998 PETA has euthanized 85% of the pets they have "rescued." That translates to over 17,000 animals during that period of time. If anyone seriously thinks that PETA cares about horses and that this is not about fundraising they are seriously misguided.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pointman

As Ray Kerrison pointed out in the NY Post today, since 1998 PETA has euthanized 85% of the pets they have "rescued." That translates to over 17,000 animals during that period of time. If anyone seriously thinks that PETA cares about horses and that this is not about fundraising they are seriously misguided.

feeding critters takes money, and peta needs that for other, more important things...

[FGFan]

Originally Posted by DogsUp

Calling them terrorists is pretty harsh and I would think strongly about a recanter. Not every member of PETA is a terrorist. Every organization has crazy people and people who really care about the cause. Currently, PETA is trying to get legislation against hormones in out meat (which I am in favor of). Yes, they do some bad things and Yes, they do some good. But calling PETA has a whole a terrorist organization is childish and wrong.

No it's not. When the "president" of an organization is closely linked and proven to have aided and abetted a known domestic terrorist group it's calling a duck a duck. No matter what the "members" which to think, their/your leader helps terrorists.

http://www.activistcash.com/organiza...eye.cfm/oid/21

an excerpt:

Most ominously, PETA president Ingrid Newkirk was involved in the multi-million-dollar arson at Michigan State University that resulted in a 57-month prison term for Animal Liberation Front bomber Rodney Coronado. At Coronado’s sentencing hearing, U.S. Attorney Michael Dettmer said that PETA’s Ingrid Newkirk arranged ahead of time to have Coronado send her a pair of FedEx packages from Michigan -- one on the day before he burned the lab down, and the other shortly afterward.

PETA doesn't do anything good for animals, there are groups that do, but they are not one of them.
All they do is try to push their agenda down everyones throats and if you don't agree they scream and have a fit.

Additionally, they blatanly mis-use thier funding as a 501C3. The legislation you are referring to is illegal under the statutes of 501C3 laws. Only extremely limited monies are allowed 501c3 groups to lobby federal or state govt. Do you have any idea the kind of money they raised with their eight belles e-mail to do what with...go protest at the Preakness?

And frankly as far as your non-hormone meat, go buy organic or raise it yourself, maybe I like hormones in my meat, why should you and the terrorist group decide how I take my meat. (I should have read that before I posted it, be nice people)
I have enough government in my life telling how to think and how to live.

I despise groups like PETA, all they do is stand on a soapbox, ask for money and contribute to terrorist organizations.
During one of the largest animal rescue deployments, Katrina, PETA was shunned and often times banned by the mainstream groups and our federal govt.
They actually wanted to stop the euthanization, BY the extremely skilled disaster/trauma VMAT vets, of animals suffering from chemical burns, extreme dehydration and other catastrophic illnesses. What is humane about that.
They, PETA people, had to be physically removed from the facility. And I do know from personal experience I vet teched with the VMAT teams for 2 months after Katrina.

Additionally which this has nothing to do with anything, thier people were just gross, unwashed, dirty hippyish types, I almost threw up when one of them put thier sandaled feet next to me, (well I did throw up). And why would you be walking around a toxic HZMAT detox center in sandals????

Why don't you go ask your local animal shelter, who toil diligently under dire situations and very little funding...when is the last time PETA helped them. The answer would be NEVER!
Then ask them the last time ASPCA or Best Friends to name a few have helped or provided grants, often times it could be very recent if the shelter applied, these groups give grants all the time and feverishly help with animal over-population. But that's right, PETA's answer to rescue animals is to secretly kill them and dump them on the side of the road.

Your statemenst and some of the others here I believe are lazy statements as you have never taken the time to really research PETA.

They just make everything warm and fuzzy and it appeals to the masses that don't take the time to find out what this group really does.
There are some of us here that are very involved in animal welfare and very familiar with PETA, and can tell you they are not even remotely the good guys.
OK I'm going back to watching HD horseracing.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by FGFan

And frankly as far as your non-hormone meat, go buy organic or raise it yourself, maybe I like hormones in my meat, why should you and the terrorist group decide how I take my meat. (I should have read that before I posted it, be nice people)
I have enough government in my life telling how to think and how to live.

FGFan, circa nineteenth century: And indeed, if you wish your bread-making flour to be flour only, perhaps you should grow the wheat by your own labor. For you have not considered, sir, that perhaps I prefer my purchased flour to contain plaster-of-paris and perhaps I enjoy the improved color that the addition of lead gives to many of the foods I ingest. The government exerts an inordinate amount of control over my daily life and I prefer not to be enlightened on the ingredients in the foods I ingest into my own body and entrust the businesses my own good health. Thus I rest sound at night, sure that they care for nothing more than my well-being, even at the expense of their own profits.

(not meant unkindly, FGFan, but the reason hormones and antibiotics in meat are a big deal is because they aren't there for your health; they're there to keep animals in unsanitary conditions healthy "enough" that they can be turned into food for humans. They're bad for you.)

As for the survey, hey, the percentage of people who think racing should be banned or are ambivalent is about equivalent to the percentage of people who think Bush is still doing a good job, and he's still President. Wait. I'm not sure if that's good or bad for racing...

[FGFan]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

(not meant unkindly, FGFan, but the reason hormones and antibiotics in meat are a big deal is because they aren't there for your health; they're there to keep animals in unsanitary conditions healthy "enough" that they can be turned into food for humans. They're bad for you.)

Genuine Risk, I understand your point.

I was being glib...as you can tell I hate PETA.

We actually raise livestock for personal consumption so that we can control what our steaks or pork chops have ingested.
But there are already alternatives for those that can't do this, such as organic which is available in even the largest cities.


I just don't think PETA should be the ones to carry on this crusade, especially since they want everyone to be vegans. Again another misuse of PETA funding as a 501C3, illegal lobbying for a cause they don't believe in as we are all supposed to eat plant matter only.

For people to keep saying PETA is a good group just galls me. They are exploiting Eight Belles tragic, freak death, ruining the Preakness and funding ALF(animal liberation front) in the name of Eight Belles.