This has trouble written all over it

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I know there are charities out there that don't care about their cause but simply are about lining the pockets of the heads of the charity.

I'm certainly not an expert on PETA and I don't agree with everything they say and do. But I think that lady who is the head of PETA, I believe her name is Ingrid Newkirk, is legitimately extremely concerned with the welfare of animals. If you have any evidence to the contrary, I would love to hear it.

I don't understand why you're so focused on PETA. I'm in the horseracing business and I don't care what PETA says about horseracing. Some of what PETA says is true and some of it is not true. Regardless of what PETA says, I know we have a lot of problems in horseracing that need to be fixed. I don't need PETA to tell me that. I see it first-hand every day.

I'm not focused on PETA at all. I've barely mentioned them by name on air in the two weeks since they started their nonsense. I was addressing Zig's point above.

But since you brought it up, the fact is that ignoring them specifically is a mistake. In every pro-industry comment in this arena, the point needs to be stressed that there are thousands upon thousands of dedicated racing-related individuals caring for horses daily and whose lives are devoted to ensuring a quality of life for horses on and away from the track.

The other point that you seem to not want to acknowledge at all is the reality that these dire problems you think have the game at death's door are being addressed left and right. What exactly do you think the RMTC is up to? The Welfare and Safety Summit? The ARCI and TRPB Wagering Protocol Working Group? The Grayson-JC Foundation people?

I'm getting really tired of those that love to pile on with the negativity and actively seek to diminish the authentic work being attempted by people like those above. Not everything is going to be 'fixed' in nanoseconds, but to act like nothing is being done AT ALL, BY ANYONE, is ridiculous and an insult to those trying.

[Danzig]

excellent points. it's not a head in the sand atmosphere at all.
and i would think most of us hardly give peta a thought, until they start beating the drum and they come to the fore on things like this. it's funny, but other than on here lately, i can't recall a conversation anywhere regarding peta.
i just don't think eight belles is indicative of what is wrong with this sport.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Kasept

I'm not focused on PETA at all. I've barely mentioned them by name on air in the two weeks since they started their nonsense. I was addressing Zig's point above.

But since you brought it up, the fact is that ignoring them specifically is a mistake. In every pro-industry comment in this arena, the point needs to be stressed that there are thousands upon thousands of dedicated racing-related individuals caring for horses daily and whose lives are devoted to ensuring a quality of life for horses on and away from the track.

The other point that you seem to not want to acknowledge at all is the reality that these dire problems you think have the game at death's door are being addressed left and right. What exactly do you think the RMTC is up to? The Welfare and Safety Summit? The ARCI and TRPB Wagering Protocol Working Group? The Grayson-JC Foundation people?

I'm getting really tired of those that love to pile on with the negativity and actively seek to diminish the authentic work being attempted by people like those above. Not everything is going to be 'fixed' in nanoseconds, but to act like nothing is being done AT ALL, BY ANYONE, is ridiculous and an insult to those trying.

You are right. We are starting to see some changes. The ball is starting to roll. I guess I'm just impatient. I want to see things happen quickly because so much of this stuff is long overdue. The RMTC has certainly done some excellent work. I have been frustrated that so many in the industry have dragged their feet when it comes to implementing the recommendations of the RMTC.

[blackthroatedwind]

I'll take Rupert and lay the points in this thread.