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[hockey2315]

They can't detect everything. . .

[pick4]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

They can't detect everything. . .

Is he that more clever than everyone?

I know people root against him and that's fine. I just think it's foolish if one allows their distain towards Dutrow Jr. influence their handicapping and wagering on races which he has horses entered.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by pick4

Is he that more clever than everyone?

You think he's the only one with mysterious move-ups, etc?

[Bobby Fischer]

anabolic steroids are legal & considered to be a beneficial run-of-the-mill medication.

a little research shows painkillers are very popular

then we have chemicals that build your stamina like epo

and stuff we don't even know about.

if the barn and the investors have no moral objection, some of these outfits use everything possible

[pick4]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

You think he's the only one with mysterious move-ups, etc?

Of course not, I'm not that naive. I'm not saying he's doping his horses. It's rare to see a trainer equally adept at handling 10,000 claimers and horses who win Grade 1 races. He's not the first with this skill and he won't be the last.

[hockey2315]

I wouldn't call it skill. . .

[pick4]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

I wouldn't call it skill. . .

Call it whatever you want. His record of winning races speaks for itself.

I'm not trying to be a wise guy here. I've asked the question about Dutrow Jr. that I posed in an earlier post a few times to various people but the answers are pure speculation that he is a cheat and gets away with it.


He's a tenth grade dropout and that does not imply that he is unintelligent. It's obvious he has above average ability in managing racehorses. I doubt he spent much time studying science in school.

I recall Steve Allday saying he is a cheater but where is the concrete proof.

[hockey2315]

Allday saying it is pretty good proof. . . But all you have to do is look at his horse's PPs to know something's up. . . And his record of positives. . .

Do you really think he's a better horseman than a guy like Mott?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pick4

Call it whatever you want. His record of winning races speaks for itself.

I'm not trying to be a wise guy here. I've asked the question about Dutrow Jr. that I posed in an earlier post a few times to various people but the answers are pure speculation that he is a cheat and gets away with it.


He's a tenth grade dropout and that does not imply that he is unintelligent. It's obvious he has above average ability in managing racehorses. I doubt he spent much time studying science in school.

I recall Steve Allday saying he is a cheater but where is the concrete proof.

pure speculation doesn't get someone suspended repeatedly. dutrow was suspended for two separate drug violations, as well as a claiming violation, when st liam ran in the stephen foster-under bobby frankels name. then dutrow was suspended for violating terms of yet another drug suspension. google his name, you'll see for yourself. every year for at least the last ten, he's been in trouble-six states at least. then there's woodbine-he served a 14 day suspension for lying in an investigation about a horse he ran up there.
it's a lot of things, but speculation isn't one of them. dutrow has even said he deserved at least half of his suspensions. just because he isn't repentant doesn't mean it didn't happen.