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Old 02-26-2008, 02:04 PM
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The big difference is LITF shipped around and went to every big 3yo sprint race there was. It wasn't his fault there was no competition. The NM filly has been kept in state bred company and dodged any real challenges. There's no comparison between them.
Clearly he was better than Pepper's Pride.
I wasn't attempting to compare them in terms of ability.
I was just trying to make the point that I like to see horses actually beat some horse that can run before I would include the animal in a list of this nature.
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Old 02-26-2008, 02:06 PM
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Clearly he was better than Pepper's Pride.
I wasn't attempting to compare them in terms of ability.
I was just trying to make the point that I like to see horses actually beat some horse that can run before I would include the animal in a list of this nature.
Right, I just don't think it is fair that he gets slammed so bad for beating no one when he showed up at all the biggest races for his division. Slam away for the BC performance, for that he deserves it.
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Old 02-26-2008, 02:26 PM
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Right, I just don't think it is fair that he gets slammed so bad for beating no one when he showed up at all the biggest races for his division. Slam away for the BC performance, for that he deserves it.
He gets slammed for beating nobodies but Mineshaft got awarded HOY in 2003 for the same thing. Think about it. In 2003, who were the top seven older males? In no order, I come up with:

Congaree, Perfect Drift, Medaglia d'Oro, Mineshaft, Candy Ride, Milwaukee Brew, and Pleasantly Perfect. Out of that group of seven, Mineshaft only faced one of those horses (Perfect Drift). He only faced that one horse one time. And he LOST. But he was the HOY. Go figure.
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Here are six horses from 1987 that were clearly better 3YOs than Lost in the Fog.....

Alysheba
Bet Twice
Gulch
Java Gold
Cryptoclearance
Gone West

and Lost Code and Polish Navy were probably better.
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LITF defeated Kelly's Landing but how many 3yo G1 sprints do they write?
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Old 02-26-2008, 02:18 PM
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LITF defeated Kelly's Landing but how many 3yo G1 sprints do they write?
Two
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Two
What is the second?
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Malibu.
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Malibu.
Ah yes, the 3yo stakes that is part of a 4yo series. Easy to forget.
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Here are six horses from 1987 that were clearly better 3YOs than Lost in the Fog.....

Alysheba
Bet Twice
Gulch
Java Gold
Cryptoclearance
Gone West

and Lost Code and Polish Navy were probably better.
Well, as you know, I believe this was the greatest crop ever. But let me ask you something. How sure can we be that these horses were better than Fog? Under 8f, probably the only one that could have beaten him was Gulch. I wouldn't take Java Gold or Alysheba or Cryptoclearance to beat Fog at 7f anymore than I would take Fog to beat them at 9f. They competed in different games. I think it would be fairer to compare him to Jazzing Around, Templar Hill, and Well Selected, horses that were among the best 3yo sprinters that year (won the Riva Ridge, King's Bishop, and Hutcheson, respectively.)
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Well, as you know, I believe this was the greatest crop ever. But let me ask you something. How sure can we be that these horses were better than Fog? Under 8f, probably the only one that could have beaten him was Gulch. I wouldn't take Java Gold or Alysheba or Cryptoclearance to beat Fog at 7f anymore than I would take Fog to beat them at 9f. They competed in different games. I think it would be fairer to compare him to Jazzing Around, Templar Hill, and Well Selected, horses that were among the best 3yo sprinters that year (won the Riva Ridge, King's Bishop, and Hutcheson, respectively.)

Java Gold would have drowned him at 7F as would have Bet Twice. The others? Maybe. However, while I understand the point you are trying to make I think in overall talent they were better. They were, IMO, better at what they did than he was at what he did.
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i'm pretty sure on the line was from this same crop as well, and he would have kicked lost in the fog's ass, at any distance from 3f to 10f.
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i'm pretty sure on the line was from this same crop as well, and he would have kicked lost in the fog's ass, at any distance from 3f to 10f.

Here's another one that would have drowned him in sprints in 1987.......Afleet.
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Old 02-26-2008, 02:44 PM
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Here's another one that would have drowned him in sprints in 1987.......Afleet.
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