Manduro - best horse on the planet

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

I've said nothing about Manduro being #1... don't you think if i had a problem with that I'd have said so?

Does he deserve it? Not sure. Was i a big fan (and am I a big Viva pataca fan?). No.

They're both awfully good though.

What the hell does HK have to do in the world to be considered as equal? What about Vengeance of Rain for God sake?

Yeah yeah, they know, they're experts BUT I think it's disgraceful that he was left off, that Miss Andretti is soooo far down, etc.

Hey, it's only my opinion though.

I'm just saying that in general, the horses in HK are just a step or two lower in class than the very best in Europe and America. The thing is that Vengeance of Rain and Viva Pataca have been head to head a few times right, with differing results. When Viva Pataca was over here he was only a class 2 handicapper. No where near capable of winning a Gr1. He has improved, but he still wouldn't trouble the best of what the rest of the world has (in my opinion). Vengeance Of Rain is probably rated through the form with VP. His sheema classic win was good, I have to agree, but it was a step above some of his other form.

HK and Japan are improving at a rate faster than most other countries. As I say, give them a few more years and it will be their horses close to the top of the tree.

It's also the fact that only a very small percentage of American and British horses go out there. So it's very hard to see who is best.

This post is probably as clear as mud, but I hope some of you understand it.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

HK and Japan are improving at a rate faster than most other countries. As I say, give them a few more years and it will be their horses close to the top of the tree.

Rule #273 of the HK horsie fan club rules state you must never lump them in with the JRA kids.

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Rule #273 of the HK horsie fan club rules state you must never lump them in with the JRA kids.

Mr dear, that is rule #2730

You've known me long enough now to realise that I feel rules are there to be broken

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

Mr dear, that is rule #2730

Oh I thought that was the Wong rule... never bet a horse with Wong in his name cause chances are he won't go into the gate without 5 minutes of drama and insanity.

Need to check the book now.....

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Oh I thought that was the Wong rule... never bet a horse with Wong in his name cause chances are he won't go into the gate without 5 minutes of drama and insanity.

Need to check the book now.....

Rule #1 is still the same, right?

Never bet a horse who Gallant Bloom has played.





(I'm ready for the backlash, don't worry....... I need to say something outlandish for her to speak to me)

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

Rule #1 is still the same, right?

Never bet a horse who Gallant Bloom has played.





(I'm ready for the backlash, don't worry....... I need to say something outlandish for her to speak to me)

The shorter version is never play the Supremes.

(Kidding, V).

[brockguy]

funny that Asiatic Boy's rating of 117 is based on his 4th in the Sussex stakes last year and not on his UAE Derby performance which certainly looked better. I was thinking about him the other night and the more i think about his summer in Europe the more of a shambles I think it was. Even thinking about running over 10f in soft ground against pretty much the best Europe has to offer was just crazy. The first priority should have been quick ground which he would have got at Ascot (which was his original plan) or Leopardstown just after the Juddmonte. They even could have waited and given him an entry in HK.

I wouldn't heavily disagree with any of the rankings.. Ramonti is the type of horse that will always get a low enough rating as he just beats opponents by enough a la Giants Causeway.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

The shorter version is never play the Supremes.

(Kidding, V).

For Gallant.....


The following changes are notified:-

Horse Name Brand No. From To Change Date
---------------------- -------- -------------- -------------- --------------
TIME SUPREME (E012 ) C Fownes A Schutz 17/01/2008

[gallant bloom]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

Rule #1 is still the same, right?

Never bet a horse who Gallant Bloom has played.





(I'm ready for the backlash, don't worry....... I need to say something outlandish for her to speak to me)

remember to
ignore silly boy
this weekend.

hopefully
he gets a
different
jock.

nunes sucks.
this list sucks
u suck.

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by gallant bloom

remember to
ignore silly boy
this weekend.

hopefully
he gets a
different
jock.

nunes sucks.
this list sucks
u suck.

See, I knew a sarcastic message would bring her out of her shell.

Was the "u suck" comment aimed at me? Why am I guess you were looking in a mirror when you wrote this?

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by gallant bloom

remember to
ignore silly boy
this weekend.

hopefully
he gets a
different
jock.

nunes sucks.
this list sucks
u suck.

Nah nah nah na nah, Nunes is up.

(Sorry).

I don't have a pick for race 1..... yet.

Did you see this? HKJC inquiry.....

The Stewards today concluded their inquiry which commenced on 1 January 2008 into the running and riding of SILLY BOY. On 1 January 2008, evidence was taken from M Nunes, rider of the horse, and Mr K L Tsui, assistant trainer to Mr A T Millard, trainer of the horse. As Mr Millard was absent from Hong Kong, the Stewards adjourned the inquiry.

On that day, Jockey Nunes said he had been instructed by Mr Tsui to ride the horse back in the field due to the horse having drawn the outside barrier. He said accordingly when the gates opened he took hold of SILLY BOY in an endeavour to carry out his instructions. He said SILLY BOY proved difficult to settle in the early stages but then relaxed rounding the turn at the 800 Metres and was able to close the race off quite well.

Mr Tsui confirmed he had been directed by Mr Millard to instruct Jockey Nunes to ride the horse at the rear of the field due to the wide draw.

Further evidence was today taken from Mr Tsui and Jockey Nunes and evidence was also taken from Mr Millard and Mr K W Hui, manager of AA84 syndicate, the owner of SILLY BOY.

Mr Millard confirmed as he was not in Hong Kong at the time, he had advised Mr Tsui by telephone to instruct Jockey Nunes to ride the horse quietly due to the horse racing over 1400 Metres but in particular the fact that it had drawn the outside barrier and that the race was being run on the A course which in his opinion favoured horses coming from back in the field. He said he made this decision as in the horse¡¦s three race starts since last winning over 1200 Metres on 9 September 2007, the horse had weakened in the Straight after being ridden in forward positions. He said he was of the belief that from barrier 14 too much use would have to be made of SILLY BOY in the early stages for the horse to be able to take up a forward position and then be able to finish the race off. He said he was particularly mindful of the fact that SILLY BOY had not been finishing its races off of late when drawn relatively good barriers, so he was concerned that the horse would again fail to finish the race off after having to be made use of in order to cross from the outside barrier. Mr Millard said after viewing the videos of the race, he was completely satisfied with the manner in which Jockey Nunes had ridden the horse in that he had been able to have SILLY BOY settle for the majority of the race and therefore it was able to close the race off fairly.

Jockey Nunes reaffirmed his earlier evidence that after proving somewhat difficult to settle in the early stages when being taken in behind FLYING KENNY, the horse then relaxed well for him and that he was satisfied with the position that he had obtained in the race with the favourite STEEL NERVES racing to his inside. He again said when ridden in this manner over this course and distance the horse had closed the race off in his opinion better than it had done of late.

Mr Hui advised the inquiry that he was somewhat surprised by the instructions issued to Jockey Nunes on this occasion as SILLY BOY had been a horse which had usually assumed a forward position in its races. However, for the reasons outlined by Mr Tsui in Mr Millard¡¦s absence, he respected the decision to ride the horse quietly from the outside barrier. Mr Hui further advised the inquiry that he was satisfied with the manner in which Jockey Nunes had ridden the horse in that he had been able to get the horse to travel kindly for the majority of the race and that the horse had been able to finish the race off. Mr Hui confirmed he had supported SILLY BOY in this race.

When questioned regarding the riding instructions for SILLY BOY in the Michael¡¦s Choice Handicap scheduled to be run at the Sha Tin racemeeting on Sunday 20 January 2008, Mr Millard said as the horse has drawn barrier 3, it would be his intention to instruct Jockey Nunes to have the horse race in a forward position. However, he added that in the future should SILLY BOY draw a wide gate and the circumstances of the race be such that SILLY BOY may be suited by being ridden more quietly, he would give consideration to adopting those tactics.

Mr Hui was advised his evidence was accepted. Mr Tsui and Jockey Nunes were advised their evidence would be reported. Mr Millard was advised in the circumstances the Stewards would take no further action other than to report his evidence, however, he was reminded of the importance of horses trained by him being ridden in a consistent manner wherever possible.