Bucks

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Danzig

yeah, i also was thinking about horses post...lsu pretty much coasted thru the fourth quarter. that last osu touchdown was the result of the lsu defense wanting very much to start the celebration, rather than any re-sparking of the osu offense.

LSU was better and they won. My only point to my posts was pretty much if Robiskie doesn't drop the TD in the 2nd quarter and OSU goes up 17-10 the entire remainder of the game is played differently to some extent. My guess is LSU still wins...but it probably is a one score type game through the end rather than what happened. I am a big 10 homer...I went to Penn State...grew up in Ohio so I am partial to mainly those schools, and I simply think the "experts" are taking the "talent" differential between the leagues a bit too far. The SEC is better and the big 10 is down without question and may not even be a top 5 conference right now. But I look at my alma mater and see that PSU is 5-2 against the SEC in bowl games since 1990. How could that happen?? We never beat OHio State and they are 0-9 against the SEC in bowl games. IT really doesn't make too much sense. Michigan never beats OSU any more and they beat the great and speedy Gators this year...how does that happen??

I think it's more coincidence than anything. OSU has been far better than PSU in the big 10 the last 13 years with the exception of a couple years yet PSU has tremendous success against the SEC while OSU never beats the SEC. It's pretty much easy and popular to bash the big 10 so I tend to just take the opposite side and run with it no matter how stupid I look!!!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

LSU was better and they won. My only point to my posts was pretty much if Robiskie doesn't drop the TD in the 2nd quarter and OSU goes up 17-10 the entire remainder of the game is played differently to some extent. My guess is LSU still wins...but it probably is a one score type game through the end rather than what happened. I am a big 10 homer...I went to Penn State...grew up in Ohio so I am partial to mainly those schools, and I simply think the "experts" are taking the "talent" differential between the leagues a bit too far. The SEC is better and the big 10 is down without question and may not even be a top 5 conference right now. But I look at my alma mater and see that PSU is 5-2 against the SEC in bowl games since 1990. How could that happen?? We never beat OHio State and they are 0-9 against the SEC in bowl games. IT really doesn't make too much sense. Michigan never beats OSU any more and they beat the great and speedy Gators this year...how does that happen??

I think it's more coincidence than anything. OSU has been far better than PSU in the big 10 the last 13 years with the exception of a couple years yet PSU has tremendous success against the SEC while OSU never beats the SEC. It's pretty much easy and popular to bash the big 10 so I tend to just take the opposite side and run with it no matter how stupid I look!!!

i don't think you look stupid, i just disagreed with the part of your post about dominant play per quarter.
and absolutely knocking that ball out for the potential TD was an awesome play.

but you do raise a good point. why is PSU (my first love, i grew up in md) able to win, but not OSU(who i absolutely hate--caused by my being a psu fan no doubt!) who has a now 0 for 9 record vs the sec in bowl comp?

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i don't think you look stupid, i just disagreed with the part of your post about dominant play per quarter.
and absolutely knocking that ball out for the potential TD was an awesome play.

but you do raise a good point. why is PSU (my first love, i grew up in md) able to win, but not OSU(who i absolutely hate--caused by my being a psu fan no doubt!) who has a now 0 for 9 record vs the sec in bowl comp?

Joe Paterno! bowl games are business trips and he treats them as such and his kids understand that.
in the 10 years of the Alabama-Psu series, Bryant and Paterno got to be good friend and traded ideas regularly.
fulmer and ut are famous for not showing for bowl games. look at uga last year, those kids didn't care. they were playing wvu in atlanta. thats no trip to those kids and they took wvu lightly and got embarrassed for it.
it happened to coach stalling his first year at Alabama. Bama was a replacement team in the fiesta bowl in the fight martin luther kings b-day.
they called the kids back from vacation and the coaches were out recruiting. Bama got to the desert and got blown out by howard schnellenberger's louisville team, which was a pretty good team. bama had no business in that game.

[King Glorious]

I think Penn St is able to win because they are often a second level Big 10 team and are playing second level SEC teams and even though it seems that this year the SEC has been the far better conference, usually the two are pretty evenly matched once you get past the top teams. Eight times out of 10 though, the top two from the SEC will beat the top two from the Big 10. Penn St and some other B-10 schools can compete with some SEC schools. But in any given year, if Penn St ends up as the best B-10 school, they'd likely suffer the same fate as OSU does when they play the best SEC school.

[The Bid]

They did outplay them

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by The Bid

They did outplay them

if you honestly believe that. we didn't watch the same game.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by The Bid

They did outplay them

Hilarious...

[The Bid]

I do believe that. LSU got some cheap calls and turned the game. Ohio State wasnt outplayed.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I think Penn St is able to win because they are often a second level Big 10 team and are playing second level SEC teams and even though it seems that this year the SEC has been the far better conference, usually the two are pretty evenly matched once you get past the top teams. Eight times out of 10 though, the top two from the SEC will beat the top two from the Big 10. Penn St and some other B-10 schools can compete with some SEC schools. But in any given year, if Penn St ends up as the best B-10 school, they'd likely suffer the same fate as OSU does when they play the best SEC school.

I don't know what you consider 2nd level...usually when PSU is matched in a bowl with the SEC they are usually the 3rd or 4th best big 10 team...even the 2nd best at times...and they're playing a Jan 1st game usually the Outback or Capital One or whatever those games are called. Why would the 3rd or 4th best big 10 be able to beat the 3rd or 4th best SEC team but not be able to compete when it is 1 versus 1?? (as in the last two years you had wins by PSU, Wisconsin laast year and Michigan this year against the SEC)?? That doesn't make much sense to me. When PSU was the best in the big 10 which hasn't happened often recently...1994 and 2005 they weren't matched against the SEC. (played Oregon in 1994 before BCS and then Florida State in 2005.)

(or perhaps it could be as simple as ddthetide said as a lot of PSUs SEC bowl wins are against Fullmer!!)

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

(or perhaps it could be as simple as ddthetide said as a lot of PSUs SEC bowl wins are against Fullmer!!)

1975 sugar Bama 13-psu 6
1976 sugar Bama 14-psu 7
1983 sugar psu 27-uga 23 (psu lost to Bama mid-season)
1992 fiesta psu 42-tenn 17
1994 citrus psu 31-tenn 13
1994 outback psu 43-auburn 14
1998 citrus fla 21-psu 6
1999 outback psu 26-uk 14
2003 capital 1 auburn 13-psu 9
2007 outback psu 20-tenn 10
psu-6, sec-4 psu-3, tenn-0

[The Bid]

If you are a bama fan its been a long wait between drinks my friend.

[Mortimer]

I think Penn St is able to win because they are often a second level Big 10 team and are playing second level SEC teams and even though it seems that this year the SEC has been the far better conference, usually the two are pretty evenly matched once you get past the top teams. Eight times out of 10 though, the top two from the SEC will beat the top two from the Big 10. Penn St and some other B-10 schools can compete with some SEC schools. But in any given year, if Penn St ends up as the best B-10 school, they'd likely suffer the same fate as OSU does when they play the best SEC school.
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Like Michigan defeating one of the teams in the sec champ. game.





In their own backyard.


Eauxh...forgot to clarify...that was UNRANKED Michigan beating 12TH RANKED in all the land Florida.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i don't think you look stupid, i just disagreed with the part of your post about dominant play per quarter.
and absolutely knocking that ball out for the potential TD was an awesome play.
but you do raise a good point. why is PSU (my first love, i grew up in md) able to win, but not OSU(who i absolutely hate--caused by my being a psu fan no doubt!) who has a now 0 for 9 record vs the sec in bowl comp?

Well that confirms it..your head is empty.

Your guy didn't knock it out...our guy dropped it.

Dont let the announcers tell you what isn't happening.