Day that Shall Live in Infamy

[MaTH716]

The sad part is that this is the first place that I have seen any mention of it. Nothing on TV, radio or in the newspapers. But there is plenty of coverage of the Grammy nominations that came out yesterday. This country is so F'd up sometimes!

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

The sad part is that this is the first place that I have seen any mention of it. Nothing on TV, radio or in the newspapers. But there is plenty of coverage of the Grammy nominations that came out yesterday. This country is so F'd up sometimes!

Well, it is pretty important to me that both Feist and Taylor Swift are up for Best New Artist -- but I noticed the same thing. I've been sitting by a TV on news stations all morning and have yet to hear a word about it, though I am now an expert on mall shootings and Mitt Romney's religion.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

The sad part is that this is the first place that I have seen any mention of it. Nothing on TV, radio or in the newspapers. But there is plenty of coverage of the Grammy nominations that came out yesterday. This country is so F'd up sometimes!

The front page of The St. Pete Times this morning...

http://www.sptimes.com/2007/12/07/ti...t/Times_1A.pdf

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

The front page of The St. Pete Times this morning...

http://www.sptimes.com/2007/12/07/ti...t/Times_1A.pdf

That is some picture. That along with 9/11 are historic events that IMO, people should be reminded daily of. I remember when I was a kid before cable TV, every night the TV stations would sign off with the national anthem. I think that all stations should show some sort of remeberence/salute to the troops every night. It only has to be a minute or two (say at 11:00 before the news). It could be either the nation anthem or God Bless America with footage of Pearl Harbor, 9/11 and then a salute to all active, retired and troops who gave there all. Those two things changed this country and people should be reminded daily that there are people out there that hate us our country and what we stand for. Maybe people will realize how good they have it.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

The sad part is that this is the first place that I have seen any mention of it. Nothing on TV, radio or in the newspapers. But there is plenty of coverage of the Grammy nominations that came out yesterday. This country is so F'd up sometimes!

I'm an NPR dork and they had coverage on this event this morning.

One thing that they spoke of, was that the nurses could do nothing to help all the fallen due to the mass numbers so they ran about administering morphine to every fallen person labeling them with an M in lipstick so as not to overmedicate.

[azerica]

Even though the majority are probably gone by now, I would still like to say thank you for all you did....and this is the only place so far today I have heard this. Thank you for starting this thread...

[GenuineRisk]

It was mentioned on the radio station I listen to, and if ever there was a station more likely to be obsessed with the Grammys, it would be this one(Z100). But they brought it up. One of the DJs on the show is in his 70s and talked about sitting next to the radio with his parents, listening to FDR's famous speech.

In fact, here's a link to the "a date which will live in infamy" speech, including an audio link so you can hear it (plus some other audio links from that event):

http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5166/

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I'm an NPR dork and they had coverage on this event this morning.

One thing that they spoke of, was that the nurses could do nothing to help all the fallen due to the mass numbers so they ran about administering morphine to every fallen person labeling them with an M in lipstick so as not to overmedicate.

For that,Batan,and the rape of the Phillipines etc.,we should of turned their island into glass.All those innocent guys still in that U.S.S. Arizona.......That country never paid what was due for their disgusting ways.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

For that,Batan,and the rape of the Phillipines etc.,we should of turned their island into glass.All those innocent guys still in that U.S.S. Arizona.......That country never paid what was due for their disgusting ways.

Didn't we drop two rather large, destructive bombs on Japan, or am I thinking of another Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Didn't the radiation from those bombs continue to cause illness and death decades after the war ended?

How many of those people who died, do you think, were directly, or even indirectly, involved in the attacks on a US military base in 1941? Those people we burned to death were civilians. Here's a description of what many of them looked like:

<<They had no hair because their hair was burned, and at a glance you couldn't tell whether you were looking at them from the front or in back.... If there had been only one or two such people ... perhaps I would not have had such a strong impression. But wherever I walked I met these people.... Many of them died along the road.... They didn't look like people of this world.>>

And:
<<The river became not a stream of flowing water but rather a stream of drifting dead bodies. No matter how much I might exaggerate the stories of the burned people who died shrieking and of how the city of Hiroshima was burned to the ground, the facts would still be clearly more terrible.>>

I'm not defending Japan in WW2, God knows. In fact, I even understand why Truman made the decision to drop the bombs. But to say the Japanese didn't pay what was due? Jesus Christ. How bloodthirsty can a person get?

Here's a good link to Truman's decision to drop the bomb and the aftermath:

http://www.isreview.org/issues/13/Hi...Nagasaki.shtml

Sorry Scuds- I don't mean to sound harsh, but come on, really?

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

My Grandma visited the memorial in the early 70's, the oil from the USS Arizona still rises to the surface even today.

[ddthetide]

for those that get it, military channel is running some shows now but 6pm they start their evening coverage. history channel also doing some shows tonight.

i have 1 uncle that was an army air corp engineer on a PBY subhunter in the atlantic. another that was in an artillery crew, that went from normandy to the outskirts of berlin. they have not told any stories until recently.

Tidefans.com has a thread today under the football section, even has some guys in iraq now posting in the thread.

THANK YOU! to our servicemen and women past and present!

[Downthestretch55]

Question:
I was told by a high school history teacher that on Dec 6, 1941, the entire US Pacific fleet was assembled in one place for only the first and ever time.
Coincidentally, negotiations with Japanese diplomats in Washington DC had "broken down".
The carriers left port (Pearl Harbor) that day, and the following morning, we know what happened, though warnings from spotters we ignored.
So...Did FDR set it up to get the USA into WWII? Like, "here's your shot, Japan, have at it."

ps: My father was an officer that served in the South Pacific as an engineer (building landing fields). Two purple hearts, malaria, jungle rot, and nightmares for many many years after.
He was one of the greatest generation. I miss him every day. He also shared this question, and said the only thing that spared the US from defeat in the Pacific was the Panama Canal.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Didn't we drop two rather large, destructive bombs on Japan, or am I thinking of another Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Didn't the radiation from those bombs continue to cause illness and death decades after the war ended?

How many of those people who died, do you think, were directly, or even indirectly, involved in the attacks on a US military base in 1941? Those people we burned to death were civilians. Here's a description of what many of them looked like:

<<They had no hair because their hair was burned, and at a glance you couldn't tell whether you were looking at them from the front or in back.... If there had been only one or two such people ... perhaps I would not have had such a strong impression. But wherever I walked I met these people.... Many of them died along the road.... They didn't look like people of this world.>>

And:
<<The river became not a stream of flowing water but rather a stream of drifting dead bodies. No matter how much I might exaggerate the stories of the burned people who died shrieking and of how the city of Hiroshima was burned to the ground, the facts would still be clearly more terrible.>>

I'm not defending Japan in WW2, God knows. In fact, I even understand why Truman made the decision to drop the bombs. But to say the Japanese didn't pay what was due? Jesus Christ. How bloodthirsty can a person get?

Here's a good link to Truman's decision to drop the bomb and the aftermath:

http://www.isreview.org/issues/13/Hi...Nagasaki.shtml

Sorry Scuds- I don't mean to sound harsh, but come on, really?

HBO had a doucumentry on a few months ago. I believed it was called Black Rain (I could be wrong but it was somthing Rain). They interviewed people that lived through the bombings and they described what happened and what they saw. There were also amazing (mostly disturbing) photos of the bomb and the damage that it did to the people and the land. After watching that show, no one will ever casually say "let's just drop the bomb on them".

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Didn't we drop two rather large, destructive bombs on Japan, or am I thinking of another Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Didn't the radiation from those bombs continue to cause illness and death decades after the war ended?

How many of those people who died, do you think, were directly, or even indirectly, involved in the attacks on a US military base in 1941? Those people we burned to death were civilians. Here's a description of what many of them looked like:

<<They had no hair because their hair was burned, and at a glance you couldn't tell whether you were looking at them from the front or in back.... If there had been only one or two such people ... perhaps I would not have had such a strong impression. But wherever I walked I met these people.... Many of them died along the road.... They didn't look like people of this world.>>

And:
<<The river became not a stream of flowing water but rather a stream of drifting dead bodies. No matter how much I might exaggerate the stories of the burned people who died shrieking and of how the city of Hiroshima was burned to the ground, the facts would still be clearly more terrible.>>

I'm not defending Japan in WW2, God knows. In fact, I even understand why Truman made the decision to drop the bombs. But to say the Japanese didn't pay what was due? Jesus Christ. How bloodthirsty can a person get?

Here's a good link to Truman's decision to drop the bomb and the aftermath:

http://www.isreview.org/issues/13/Hi...Nagasaki.shtml

Sorry Scuds- I don't mean to sound harsh, but come on, really?

No,lady,you come on.They were not innocent.They were very guilty of believing they were a master race,and their emperor was a God.That's the reason this all took place to begin with.The guys still in that USS Arizona are the real innocent dead ones(not people who supported the emperor of Japan.)If you attack an innocent country(how many did they attack...a lot) you better damn sure win.They lost,but they didn't get what was coming to them.Japanese soldiers who cut the heads off men during the Batan death march,got to live out their lives like they did nothing wrong .I've seen them interviewed.We should have told them that everybody had to leave Japan.Then,we should have made more bombs and turned their beloved island into a layer of glass.Then,we would see whether they were really sorry about Pearl Harbor.Nuclear bombs are awful,but these people who supported that emperor(all the way) deserved every bit of it.They were not innocent.Germany the same.To be honest,we have countries that push this same extreme ultra nationalism today.One of them is certainly Turkey(a potentially very dangerous country.)They use the word for "race" in their national anthem.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

No,lady,you come on.They were not innocent.They were very guilty of believing they were a master race,and their emperor was a God.That's the reason this all took place to begin with.The guys still in that USS Arizona are the real innocent dead ones(not people who supported the emperor of Japan.)If you attack an innocent country(how many did they attack...a lot) you better damn sure win.They lost,but they didn't get what was coming to them.Japanese soldiers who cut the heads off men during the Batan death march,got to live out their lives like they did nothing wrong .I've seen them interviewed.We should have told them that everybody had to leave Japan.Then,we should have made more bombs and turned their beloved island into a layer of glass.Then,we would see whether they were really sorry about Pearl Harbor.Nuclear bombs are awful,but these people who supported that emperor(all the way) deserved every bit of it.They were not innocent.Germany the same.To be honest,we have countries that push this same extreme ultra nationalism today.One of them is certainly Turkey(a potentially very dangerous country.)They use the word for "race" in their national anthem.

And Scuds, we have people here who believe Bush was personally put in office by Jesus Christ and God loves America more than any other nation. What's your point? That citizens get inflated views of their homelands? Well, duh.

And where's your proof that every single person burned to death by those bombs supported the war? Did the babies? Did the four-year-olds? How about the five-year-olds? To say we killed absolutely no innocents is not only ridiculous, it smacks of the same irrational nationalism that you accuse other nations of. Are you saying those babies and small children deserved to burn up in an atomic blast? Is that what you're saying? Yes or no, please.

We fought back after being attacked and we fought Japan until they surrendered. Once they did, we stopped attacking and helped them rebuild. Because that's what you do in war, if you're fighting it honorably. Anything else is just revenge. Continuing to punish a nation after it surrenders is the behavior of thugs. Thank goodness the leaders of our nation during WWII didn't think like you- today Japan is an ally, due in no small part to us helping it rebuild.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

And Scuds, we have people here who believe Bush was personally put in office by Jesus Christ and God loves America more than any other nation. What's your point? That citizens get inflated views of their homelands? Well, duh.

And where's your proof that every single person burned to death by those bombs supported the war? Did the babies? Did the four-year-olds? How about the five-year-olds? To say we killed absolutely no innocents is not only ridiculous, it smacks of the same irrational nationalism that you accuse other nations of. Are you saying those babies and small children deserved to burn up in an atomic blast? Is that what you're saying? Yes or no, please.

We fought back after being attacked and we fought Japan until they surrendered. Once they did, we stopped attacking and helped them rebuild. Because that's what you do in war, if you're fighting it honorably. Anything else is just revenge. Continuing to punish a nation after it surrenders is the behavior of thugs. Thank goodness the leaders of our nation during WWII didn't think like you- today Japan is an ally, due in no small part to us helping it rebuild.

Oh,I think the problem here is you aren't aware just how ruthless these "people" acted.Lady,we got an awful lot of men in that coffin (about 1,000 innocent men.)This was not an honorably fought war(in any way.)During the BATAN Death March they hacked men to death,cut their heads off etc. Whatever they felt like doing to Americans,Brits,Aussies etc. They committed atrocities in every country they took.Raped Filipino women so much that they were mental vegetables after the war.Over a thousand men on this one ship were trapped in there when it sank.You think I should feel something for the friends,families and fellow citizens of the scum that did this to innocent people? No,I don't.They deserved those bombs.No more innocent Americans should of had to lose their lives fighting this scum.These bombs got them to surrender without any more innocent Americans dead.Yea,lady,those Japanese had to die for this war to end.I have zero sympathy for anybody living in Japan at that time......ZERO.THEY DESERVED 10 MORE BOMBS...ATLEAST!!! They will never pay the debt they owe to the countries they attacked.NEVER....THEY CAN NEVER MAKE UP FOR WHAT THEY DID.WAR isn't honorable.It is hell.Those bombs were just part of that hell,but so were the men they cut in two.What you don't get is that they deserved their ass-kickin' ,but those men in that ship didn't deserve what they got.Next time you start feeling soft for the Japanese go to that Arizona Memorial,and put your sympathy in the place it really belongs.You disgust me.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

And Scuds, we have people here who believe Bush was personally put in office by Jesus Christ and God loves America more than any other nation. What's your point? That citizens get inflated views of their homelands? Well, duh.

And where's your proof that every single person burned to death by those bombs supported the war? Did the babies? Did the four-year-olds? How about the five-year-olds? To say we killed absolutely no innocents is not only ridiculous, it smacks of the same irrational nationalism that you accuse other nations of. Are you saying those babies and small children deserved to burn up in an atomic blast? Is that what you're saying? Yes or no, please.

We fought back after being attacked and we fought Japan until they surrendered. Once they did, we stopped attacking and helped them rebuild. Because that's what you do in war, if you're fighting it honorably. Anything else is just revenge. Continuing to punish a nation after it surrenders is the behavior of thugs. Thank goodness the leaders of our nation during WWII didn't think like you- today Japan is an ally, due in no small part to us helping it rebuild.

I love you.





An I don't think you're PP.